I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-08-04 10:17:21

Yes VJ, I m Gujj too. :cheers:

Yes u r right about kahevat and interesting things Canadian Government count our education for just entry into Canada not for job.

Lot of educated people from our country has socked after reaching here and realising that their degree and indian experience has NO value in canada:)

(+ and -) is every where. Canada has more (-) things.

Sometime, i feel that i am wasting my years of life here.

"Gaddha Majoori karavi hoy to saru chhe" :D


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infocan   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 281
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-08-04 05:51:22

Hi Chaps,
Sorry to interrupt u in between. As far I know. A Dalit cannot think of rise in corporate India , Sikh/Muslim cannot become chief in military service . I can count so many unwritten discrimination laws. Also apart from that a person like Modi can become chief campaigner for a claimed national party and remain super hero for a particular community.
So a person choosing to migrate to another country should be very much clear in his/her aspirations & limitation that place offer. It is good you guys give real time discrimination scenarios to potential immigrants. Canada I still guess must be more civilized & obliged to new immigrants for their settlement & aspirations.


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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-08-04 04:15:14

Dear Infocan,

Where in mine and KAP's posts , you found the discrimination??????? I don't understand, why you felt like this and wrote this post.. Can you clarify?

And, whatever has been written by KAP in his last post is definitely one of the real time feel lots of local desis in canada are having. I don't think he has tried to make parts of the community and .....

Please clarify what you intend to say, although I am getting you voice.

By the way, Can you even clarify the sentence "A PERSON LIKE MODI", do you have the total feedback on what he has done and what he has not done. I am sure you carry a great data about him. Then and only you have written.

Its all about your "KARMA" my dear friend, in INDIA any one can become anything. Today we have the first citizen of INDIA a "MUSLIM". Our own president. And he is the same gentleman who has given us a feel of POWER by using his brain for the best of missile technologies. He is one of the most liked and loved personalities of the country. Hence please correct yourself.

I really get upset when I see classification in HUMAN species... You and me all have one BLOOD flowing in our body. Well thats my thinking, I try to see every onoe with comon eye, Whether he is a DALIT, MUSLIM or anything..HE IS HUMAN...MITTI KA ADMI HAI....

Regards,

VJ



Ottawa_Nerd   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 1754
Location: Ottawa (Now in Bangalore)

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-08-04 04:31:51

Quote:
Orginally posted by infocan

Hi Chaps,
Sorry to interrupt u in between. As far I know. A Dalit cannot think of rise in corporate India , Sikh/Muslim cannot become chief in military service . I can count so many unwritten discrimination laws.


Infocan... ahem... are u trying to revive an old thread :D.. Please lets go to the other thread ;) Just forward a request to BlueLobster to open that thread ! You can find it in my signature below !!

As for your ignorance...
K.R.Narayanan was / is a Dalit Christian if you are unaware...
Last I knew, Manmohan Singh was / is still was a Sikh !

I agree with Kap's assertion... The only real Muslims in India today are Dr. Kalam and Mr. Azim Premji ! Both make us feel proud, alebit for different reasons. !

A dalit cannot think of rising in corporate India ? Whoever gave you that idea :) ? If a Dalit is from an IIT ! forget everyone else.. He gets top billing as his caste is useless. However, they are talking abt "job reservation" in the pvt sector for vote bank politics. This does not mean that Dalits are not give equal opportunities in the pvt sector. In fact, here they can compete based on their merits/experience and not on their caste certificate !


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BlueLobster   
Member since: Oct 02
Posts: 3409
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-08-04 08:29:25

Guys, (Infocan, VJ and OTN)

Let's not morph this into a religion/caste thread. The point Infocan is making is there is discrimination in India. And he is entitled to his opinion even if we don't agree.

I don't agree with his sikh/muslim remark and its almost ironical considering the country's two top positions are held by a sikh and a muslim. I also don't agree that a Dalit cannot think of climbing the corporate ladder, although the economic obstacles in preparing himself/herself to do so may exist in certain cases. They also exist for other castes too, there are many poor upper-caste Hindus too who don't get enough opportunity to study because of poverty.

Yet it cannot be denied that discrimination based on caste/religion does exist in India, especially in the more rural areas. IMHO, it is not inescapable or absolute, there are many who have crossed those lines. But it may be a reason for some people to seek out other lands. Nothing wrong in it.

Let's just leave it at that.


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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-08-04 12:29:16

Quote:
Orginally posted by VJ

Its all about your "KARMA" my dear friend, in INDIA any one can become anything. Today we have the first citizen of INDIA a "MUSLIM". Our own president. And he is the same gentleman who has given us a feel of POWER by using his brain for the best of missile technologies. He is one of the most liked and loved personalities of the country. Hence please correct yourself.

I really get upset when I see classification in HUMAN species... You and me all have one BLOOD flowing in our body. Well thats my thinking, I try to see every onoe with comon eye, Whether he is a DALIT, MUSLIM or anything..HE IS HUMAN...MITTI KA ADMI HAI....




Very rightly said BL,

Lets not get in to any such immaterial points on the move. Our objective is all together a huge and carries a bright future, wherever we are, either its INDiA or Canada.

And thats the reason I have written, "MITTI KA ADMI HAI"....we all are one...

"SARE JAHAN SE ACHHA HINDUSTAN HAMARA, HINDI HAI HUM VATAN HAI, HINDOSTAN HAMARA"

Regards,

Vj..



infocan   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 281
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-08-04 14:37:27

I am just making a simple point. Some people make comments that white chaps say something on third world degree etc while in work place. In nutshell, A thing called discrimination always exist in any part of world. One has to just make best of situation.
May be I try to pin point some instance, India specific. That was to put my argument forth. I don?t want to get into cross questionings on whether what I say is true or not. People visit this forum are well mature to understand my point.
Our , Main aim is to understand the problems that a potential immigrant can face in world's 5th best country to live( as per UN). Lets get foucssed on that only..
cheers



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