I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-04 16:13:59

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Orginally posted by infocan
Our , Main aim is to understand the problems that a potential immigrant can face in world's 5th best country to live( as per UN). Lets get foucssed on that only..
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saba   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 14
Location: toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-08-04 00:26:55

you have made the right decission,congratulations!
i made the wrong decission when i was in your status last year.
by coming to canada with my parents.
and now i regret that coz i made my parents suffer at the age when other people get retired ,they have to think of finding a job.
I have done a big sin!!



Ottawa_Nerd   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 1754
Location: Ottawa (Now in Bangalore)

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-08-04 03:09:43

saba = deeba ?

So Saba what are you planning to do ? Let me guess, you will continue struggling here :)


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Ottawa_Nerd   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-08-04 03:09:43

saba = deeba ?

So Saba what are you planning to do ? Let me guess, you will continue struggling here :)


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infocan   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-08-04 06:23:33

Hi fellows ,
I will suggest to all Indian successful people who are in double mind to let your aspirations have more say in your life.. If carefully planned it is question of doing extra hard work for 2-3 years. Just re-skill yourself and apply in your career. This illusion of easy-slow life in east and fast- tense life in west is back dated phenomena.
In India for a salary person’s taxable income of ( 5 lakh & above) . One have to pay very heavy tax. 30% .As typical salary of Rs 50,000+ per month means paying nearly Rs 14000+ income tax per month ( in my case at least)
And what we get in return. No social security.( Even PF interest are reduced)
NO free medical
No Infrastructure worth saying
Polluted Air.
No water
No electricity
& what is worst govt. is seriously thinking to tax IT professional more than normal by some surcharge( Custody Wipro Chief’s advice).
In case a particular western govt. bring some law to curb outsourcing, nothing worth security as what to try our luck after job loss.



On similar lines if a person is in Canada. He can easily re-skill himself & get into new field. I know it is easy said then done. At least his/her partner can support you in this phase by even doing 10 dollar labour job.
But in India, money is only in IT or Finance field. God forbids in case your spouse is well educated MSc Science(teacher type career) or have done MBBS( doctor) Still he/she can get job of mere Rs 6000- Rs 8000 . That will not support or sustain family budget as whole for long.
( Yeah in that kind of job, no tax to be paid. No Credit card hassles. Simple cool yellow Dal eating life -). Canadian Chaps in case have Guts are welcome to come back and enjoy that simplicity. )
I understand Canada is certainly not for those who are looking for less work & much more easiness. Work in any case you have to do. As hard as doing in corporate/private sector India. It is question of getting facilities.
Medical, Clean environment/Infrastructure, Kid’s education & once better settle a good life style.
Also for all desi Indians see one difference. These desi Canadians unemployed people come very regularly on NET . Cry lot. Gods know from where they get time & money to do so. We in India in such condition will simply run for bread & can have no such time to crying using latest computers, writing on message boards.
Think coolly & just apply. DO not listen to crab. It is Global village now. That means survival of the fittest. In case people cannot sustain them self in the developed world They have to either re-skill them self’s or just come back. Do some 5000-6000 job in India. & Start eating only yellow DAL. & Live with simplicity















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Kap   
Member since: May 04
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Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-08-04 12:41:22

Hi Infocan,

Everywhere (+) and (-) is there, its in India or Canada. But one thing is true that immigrants coming within last year has more more trouble to settledown in Canada. People who come here 3 years ago has no much trouble and now its going worst condition for new comers.

Jo jita Vo Sikander :cheers:


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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 25-08-04 07:48:23

Quote:
Orginally posted by infocan

Hi fellows ,
I will suggest to all Indian successful people who are in double mind to let your aspirations have more say in your life.. If carefully planned it is question of doing extra hard work for 2-3 years. Just re-skill yourself and apply in your career. This illusion of easy-slow life in east and fast- tense life in west is back dated phenomena.
In India for a salary person’s taxable income of ( 5 lakh & above) . One have to pay very heavy tax. 30% .As typical salary of Rs 50,000+ per month means paying nearly Rs 14000+ income tax per month ( in my case at least)



Dear Infocan,

You are once again raising debatable issues. Bottomlines are different on case to case basis if you are doing an APPLE-TO-APPLE comparison between India & Canada. If I start counting the good points of India, then there would be a long list. Woh sab jo CANADA MAIN APKO APKE DREAM MAIN BHI NAHI MIL SAKTA. I do not want to enter in a debatable issue. I feel, One should not decide for going to canada on his thinking that "INDIA IS BAD"...there is good and bad on various points.

Now, your point of paying tax of 14000 / month on 500000 income group. Sir, Tax saving jaisi koi chiz hai ki nahi. Who pays 14 K per month. In fact you create a great savings due to PPF/PF/NSCs/INSURANCE etc..due to tax savings. I have a smililar salary per annum, I do propoer tax planning, and hence I don't pay much tax.

"CANADA ANA HAI TO INDIA KHARAB HAI AISA BOLKE MAT AAO....HAN CANADA ACHHA HAI BOLKE JA SAKTE HO"

Regards,

VJ





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