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I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.

Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ

And now I changed my decision:

I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.

VJ

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dfwrp
Member since: Feb 04

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Posted on: 04-08-04 19:04:08

Decisions of such magnitude should always be taken after deep thinking. Although many ppl here encourage not coming to Canada , I would say one should come and take his own chances.

There is nothing called "Job Security" in any part of the world. Who knows what will happen when US and Canada decide not to send any jobs to India.

Anyways.. Good Luck!!

You should atleast make use of this opportunity by visting Canada once and looking for yourself if you really want it or not

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rajand
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Posted on: 05-08-04 03:12:13

Regarding the HSMP program of UK, my cousin & her husband recently came back within 3 months of going to UK. No highly skilled jobs are available in UK too immediately. Nobody was willing to accept them without UK experience. They had problems opening bank accounts since they were on HSMP program. Also, there is no government support like Child welfare program, etc.

So UK too is very similar to Canada in certain aspects with maybe more negative aspects especially for those who are going in the HSMP program.

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BlueLobster
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Posted on: 05-08-04 08:37:15

Quote:
Orginally posted by rajand

Regarding the HSMP program of UK, my cousin & her husband recently came back within 3 months of going to UK. No highly skilled jobs are available in UK too immediately. Nobody was willing to accept them without UK experience. They had problems opening bank accounts since they were on HSMP program. Also, there is no government support like Child welfare program, etc.

So UK too is very similar to Canada in certain aspects with maybe more negative aspects especially for those who are going in the HSMP program.

What can I say except that the grass is always greener on the other side? I know from many people that U.K. isn't a cupcake either as far as immigration is concerned, rather I've heard that there is much more racism in the U.K. than there is in Canada.

But to someone who's frustrated with Canada, even Greenland will sound a better option, I guess.

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anujark
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Posted on: 05-08-04 12:57:45

VJ
what is your reaction to all these posts?

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rajand
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Posted on: 06-08-04 02:09:12

VJ is busy with a conference till 10th.

He should reply after that.

Thanks.

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VJ
Member since: Mar 04

Posts: 441
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Posted on: 10-08-04 02:34:44

Dear friends,

Yes, I am back to my office. I was busy in a conference held at mumbai,
and can you believe, I was at the beautoiful "THE RETREAT" resort in
MADH-ISLAND for 7 days but could not even go near the sea. Thats
how the coporate life is. But the bottomline is, you learn new things,
you meet new people.

Let me start one by one, I wish to reply to everyone with thanks for
contributing your valued inputs to my journey of life.

To : souvik_k

Yes you are right, I would see the whole world, one day..I always want
to be with new people, face new challenges and see beautifull places.
Thanks...

To : Faisal

Thats correct Faisal, you are right, However I would keep in mind the
cummulative stay of 730 days in 5 years. Beacause after 3 years from
now, if I have further enhanced status, I would be at sort of a similar
junction, whether I should then go or not. But I work on a theory in life
, which I would write in my reply to "BONCAN" (I am dyeing to reach at
his post).. Thanks..

To : Chandresh

Yes, one can't decide everything on the face value of something. You have very rightly tried to encourage every one about the future. It can't be same/good for any economy to stay on one status for a long. One change in a strategy for any govt and things can go to positive again. And thats why, I thought of keepipng the GOLDEN-PR with me.

To : GG (Rashmibhai)

Thank you very much Rashmibhai, finally I could get some attention. I mean a big way, I think. (just joking)...Yes sir, I have already replied to you, I would be honoured to see my post in the article section. We all are
working towards a same objective, i.e. to help old/new desis, having
anything related to the word "CANADA"..

TO : mercury6

All I can say is "THANKS A LOT"...I am very happy to see so many replies,
but my reply would be coming next...(next is BONCAN right ?)..

TO : Interceptor

Hey..is that Ameet?...All your five points are quite valid. Thanks for
extending further.

To : The great BONCAN (kidding...).

Yes, sir you are right and thanks for keeping a track of one of my
old posts. In fact you stand a chance to win the most serious readers
of all times in canadiandesi.com.. (sorry man, I love to create humour in
everything)...

Here my reply goes...

For my reason 1 :

Are you gujarati?...Fine, I would write in both the languages. JEEVAN MA TRAN "SA" NU BAHU MAHATVA CHHE, "STHAL", "SANJOG" ANE "SAMAY". I MEAN TO SAY, THERE IS A GREAT
IMPORTANCE OF 3 WORDS IN MY LIFE "TIME", "PLACE" AND "CIRCUIMSTANCE". I change the gear of my life considering the above three factors. You are very right, that I myself had written about
positive attitide and would like to be in those 10 % of people and fight it out. Yes thats right, I would be in those 10 % for sure but not now, because my time is good in INDIA, and due to which, its the best place for me). And what do you think, what helps to take such a tough decision of not meeting your dream day, which comes to you life. My dear friend that my positive attitude only. I am still saying that I have been waitting for the day, but like what Chandresh has written, " you can't simply get attracted towards the final bottomline", because to reach to that bottomline (getting the visa)..you have to live your life in INDIA and live in your present. I did that for 3 years and these 3 years I did not compromise on my "VARTAMAN" (i.e. PRESENT) and that may have
changed my TIME today or circuimstance today. And hence I re-analysed but for positives only.

For reason - 2 :

See Boncan not at the time of applying, but from 15th May 1971 (my DOB), I know that I have parents and we all own a high responsibility towards them. We are like thair fixed deposits of a lock in period of 25/30 years. For them it is matured now and its time to pay
them back with handsome returns. Once again the time has changed here, they were quite ok in their health (they are ok now also)..but there is a slight change, they do not tell us, but internally they feel the GAP, they are always happy to see us growing, but internally they do not want to leave us. Can you believe, we were talking about +ve attitude, and my father has been telling me to go and start working hard. They would manage on their own. So to be a son of such a positive father, I feel I must at least creat a strong platform for them in 1/2 years so that in my absence, they can also live a KING SIZE life in india, and can pass the required timeline for their VISA status.

For reason 3 :

Yes sir, I call this amount a healthy one looking to india's standards. See I do not really compare with what others are earning. But yes, I am able to save approx..20 K per month.

For your answer to my option - 3 :

I can't realy get what you have written. Selling my WAGON R
is an example of my commitment to project. I was putting almost 10 K every month, which I had to save. I am a salaried guy and I had to manage the project cost from this one and only resource, i.e. SALARY. I think i dod not do anything worng.

For your answer to my option - 4 :

Well, what can I say, you are feeling that I am undecided, but
I am more decided then before now. One has to be pro-active rather then reactive. Getting VISA is not the end of journey...from here only the real journey starts. I want to be more decided for all my preferred stations, where I should hault and for how long.

I would surely not take it personally ...in fact there are +ves and there are -ves in life. One has to balace everything.

Thanks.,.,..again..
keep in touch..

To : BLUELOBSTER

Thanks a ton for a wonderfull reply. You are right, I am also aware with the success stories aleready in existance. I just thought about what is best for me at the moment and took a decision. And hey, let me tell you, everything would be more clear at the year end, i.e. 31st march. Our business cycle is April - March, "ACHHE ACHHO KI HALAT BIGAD JATI HAI", because you will know, whether your targets are matched or not. I have been growing fast, but days can't be same every year. Let's see..

To : All others, I thank from my heart. I wanted to reply each and every one who has contributed, but I came back today only and its heavily raining. My wife is all alone at home, hence I have to rush back.

Thanks again to all...

VJ

deepcb
Member since: Mar 04

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Posted on: 10-08-04 06:09:02

Hi,

I have known people who have gone to UK under HSMP and succeeded.

Those with Engineering background have better chance of succeeding in UK than Canada, because the Techincal specification and work standards - BS specification are equivalent to Indian / Asian system

In India and Middle East we basically follow BS Technical specification and UK being geographically closer to Asia might be another raeson.

There is no hard and fast rule though, try for yourselves.

Deep

U win some, loose some, everything is not justified in this world.

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