I did not know about this site till a month ago. However, I do feel there are too many negatives on this site and too few positives. I was in DXB when I applied to come to Canada, because for me Dubai stank. In the meantime I went to india got a job at Microsoft there for less pay, but at least I was happier there, who transferred me to the States a few months later and while there I got my landing papers. I am here since March of this year. I got myself a job at Research in Motion in waterloo before I got my SIN card with a 6 figure salary and no Canadian experience. You think it was because of my stint at microsoft in calif which did not last a year even? When I came here, people told me my USA experience will not count. All I could hear from everybody was negative stuff.When I landed this job, the few acquaintances I made here did not believe me and actually sent one of them to Waterloo to check if I was indeed working at RIM as project manager. When he actually saw that was the case, the shameless bastard asked to see my salary stub. There is another thread on Desi attitude. Perhaps i should be posting something there. All these acquaintances slowly disengaged themselves from me as they only wish to sit and commisserate with other people in the same boat, ie IT professionals who are doing anything but IT. Good luck to them! I seek out people who are working in the IT field and network with them. Most people on this site are a pathetic lot.Who wants to associate with them. Would i associate with them in Inida or would i associate with people who are go getters. There are enough IT people here who I associate with who are in their field? Why should I seek out losers?

Dubai hater

During my job hunt phase I was taken aback by the disposition of some of recruiters I met . Some of them clearly expressed surprise at my communication skills hinting it was more an exception than a rule in thier experience with desi applicants to meet someone with decent social etiquette.

It was contrary to my experience in the US where techies even with ordinary interpersonal skills from different countries were doing quite well.

Like many experienced desis have pointed out in this forum, I believe that soft skills along with marketable skills are mandatory
ingredients to success in Canada.

I have no doubt my life would have been miserable otherwise.

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It was contrary to my experience in the US where techies even with ordinary interpersonal skills from different countries were doing quite well.

Like many experienced desis have pointed out in this forum, I believe that soft skills along with marketable skills are mandatory
ingredients to success in Canada.

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although I think posting anything on this board is a fruitless excersise because of too many loosers who are more interested in discouraging others than analysing how they succeeded, I will make an exception for once.
Viks and Makapao have written very good responses. It is a fact that with passage of time all deserving immigrants do manage to find the niche they came here looking for.
Sadly what rshastry has written is very true in case of Canada. Most interviewers think that all 3rd world immigrants speak lousy english. It is indeed remarkable different in US where you are assesed on basis of what you are. However I dont think this perception in canada is because desis lack ettiquetes...on the other hand I think it is because of general perception of rest of world as poor, garish and medievel as compared to North America.
I know of a group of 8 people, from pakistan and India. All engineers with no IT background. Almost all worked as labourers, security guards initially. switched to IT and within 4-5 years, every SINGLE one found a solid IT job.
Thats a success rate of 100%.
But as they say it is very easy to blame the "system". There are way too many ppl on this board criticizing the CIC and the system childishly. Some have even used language that does not seem appropriate for a public forum like this or for an educated person. Canada only offers a visa to enter the country and settle here. It does NOT offer visa AND settlement guarantee. The worst are the bunch of fools that tell others not to come to Canada while sitting here all the time. Not only they deceive and discourage others, they end up deceiving themselves either.
once again let me point out for the intelligent ones.......ALL 8 PERSONS THAT I KNEW HAVE SUCCEEDED. IF THEY COULD, WHY WONT'T YOU?

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It was contrary to my experience in the US where techies even with ordinary interpersonal skills from different countries were doing quite well.

Like many experienced desis have pointed out in this forum, I believe that soft skills along with marketable skills are mandatory
ingredients to success in Canada.

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Thats the difference between Canada and USA.

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To Viks,

I am not atall against what you are saying, but generalisations or sweeping statements provoke anti-systems feeling.

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Although its fruitless to reply here as most of you have branded the system as bad. none of you with the exception of 1 or 2 ppl here have acknowledged that desi's need to better their marketing skills.

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- My previous exp in india has been in IT industry.
- My education in India has been BCom degree.
- I had no IT education in India.
- I came here in 2000.
- I looked for a job in IT for 3 months and found nothing.
- Worked in the call centre for 2 months and did worked for a libyan guy unloading trucks for a week.
- Worked as a volunteer for CATIE (canadian AIDS Research information Exchange working as database admin for FREE) and Childhood cancer association for 6 months putting in roughly 30 hrs a week.
- Gave my MCSE exam in Dec 2000 and got certified.

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Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!

Yes probably true that system isnt going to change.

But given these large numbers it might have to change. Remember you are calling immigrants by the 100 of thousands. So it is not too much to ask for a some change in attitude from canadians especially if you are demanding Immigrants change (i.e. re-educate, change their mannerism, curry etc..).

What happened to the Mosaic that is Canada?

Trust me I am a rustic person as far as manners go, So it might be a factor (although I dont show it off during an interview)...I worked happily for a long time in US without even a hint of soft skills coming into question...oh wait we are talking about Canada.

The soft skills thing is a hogwash, if you ask me. As you said since Jobs are few they have to have some thing by which they can separate people out.

Soft skills is Canada is in some ways like a disability....and all that is decided in that 20 minutes of interview. (or prejudged whereby the person maynot even get a call).

Soft Skills kill. (pardon the toungue twister)

The Kids you are talking of are second generation , by the time they are done they will have acquired all that their not so lucky parents didnt have (Canadian eductaion, Volunteer work, accent and mannerisms).

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