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| What is Canadian Experience? Immigrants Puzzle! By: Many new arrivals to Canada and Toronto in particular discover that they cannot get an IT job as soon as they arrive - no matter their level of skill or experience. The reasons given usually center around language skills and lack of "Canadian experience". article.php?id=9 |
Posted on: 10-09-04 12:48:23
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Orginally posted by Viks
I remember fixing the same old broken dot matrix and laserjet over and over again in the lab whereas where we work with so many different kinds of machines and hardware which is state-of-the art.
And just in case you are wondering -I have spent 3 quarters of my professional life in two of the four best places known for my field (international finance and accounting) - Singapore and Hongkong. When I see some bankers here in Canada, I wonder whether they are bankers or a bunch of data input clerks!
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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Orginally posted by Kap
People here advised that just look / paste successful stories? Why? There are many thousands successful stories in India, If people just look successful stories then he will never think about Canada because India has more these stories then Canada. People, who are well-educated and well settled down in India and migrating with family, have also look into NEGATIVE stories and accordingly they people can define their plan. They are well matured and they have compatible mind to decide after reading Successful stories and Negative stories.
How true - one should read both stories - and as an accountant, I would say always be optimistic, but look at the worst possible, or happening, and then decide.
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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Orginally posted by Makapao76
I did not know about this site till a month ago. However, I do feel there are too many negatives on this site and too few positives. Why should I seek out losers?
Dubai hater
Then why did you?
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Anyways, it is really good to see a more positive side emerge in the last few days, good to know that everybody is not as bitter about Canada.
Thanks to sources like Canadiandesi - people are much better informed now and they are able to make educated decisions and plans for survival.
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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When I see some bankers here in Canada, I wonder whether they are bankers or a bunch of data input clerks!
Chandresh
My Canadian Friend.....branch manager at Albion CIBC does not know what is cheque purchase..........so can any of indian commercial guy intersted in giving volunteer teaching classes Please contact....CIBC,
Lets all of us laugh on this.......it is basics of banking they are not included in required hard skills for a banker forget about soft skills......
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Yes probably true that system isnt going to change.
But given these large numbers it might have to change. Remember you are calling immigrants by the 100 of thousands. So it is not too much to ask for a some change in attitude from canadians especially if you are demanding Immigrants change (i.e. re-educate, change their mannerism, curryetc..).
Tell me honestly merc., do you think the Canadian govt. (or any govt. in the world) is ever going to approach a recruiter and tell them to adjust their requirements to accomodate immigrants? And even if they do, can they enforce this?
This system can change only with time, which it will. The Canadian mosaic isn't automatic or man-made, it builds on its own with time and steers itself.
The next generation certainly wont' have to do too much work to fit into where the Canadian mosaic stands when they grow up. That's always the case. But we do.
And I don't believe in soft skills like shaking hands with a tight grip, making gestures while talking etc etc. I got this kind of advice when I was looking for a job here and I thoroughly ignored it. But I did change my approach from interview to interview as I became more acquainted with the people and their requirements here (my interview approach in the states was very different). I dress more formally in interviews here than I did back in the states. There is a very subtle change in my mannerisms too, I restrain myself a bit more here. All without any regrets and knowing full well that once I do get a job and prove myself invaluable, nobody will care if I'm wearing socks with my sandals or not.
I should mention that a lot of times, recruiters bring in soft skills at the end of the interview, it is a convenient excuse when they feel that the candidate is not up to the job. I've seen the canadian experience excuse used several times in these cases, i.e. at the end of the interview. Many times saying "You don't have Canadian experience" is a non-offensive way of saying "We don't think you can do this job.".
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
But I did change my approach from interview to interview as I became more acquainted with the people and their requirements here (my interview approach in the states was very different). I dress more formally in interviews here than I did back in the states. There is a very subtle change in my mannerisms too, I restrain myself a bit more here. All without any regrets and knowing full well that once I do get a job and prove myself invaluable, nobody will care if I'm wearing socks with my sandals or not.
another *huge* thing a lot of people miss out on that i have found makes an instant connection with the person who is interviewing you... not a lot of applicants bother to find out anything about the company they are applying for...
employers today, specially hiring managers who end up actually paying for the service (not just the it manager for example) are more easily impressed if the applicant demonstrates a knowledge of the company, of the industry, and can show him/her that he has bothered to do a little bit of research into what he plans to do... these days the bottom line is, companies want you to fit into their business model... what they are looking for is how you can help them conduct their business better... and for that you need to know the company and its business... and its not hard information to gather... half an hour on the internet and you will know a lot about a company and its market...
because at the end of the day, not everyone who interviews you (and for serious prospects, there are atleast 3 or 4 people you have to talk to) the more senior of them who actually control the budget dont know a servlet from an applet... (i dont either, so if they are the same thing, dont flame me
)even if the tech guy who was responsible for making sure you knew your tech stuff loves your skills, the other three can very easily axe you from consideration for the position... and chances are the tech guy who loved your skills wont say anything because (a) there are probably another 100 just like you out there, and (b) his salary comes from the same budget that yours would have, and the last thing he wants is to loose his job by getting into an argument with the people who control the purse...
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