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maple_asian   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 16-03-06 23:45:50

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/005/170iuvxe.asp

Jihad in Jersey City?
From the January 31, 2005 issue: The murder of a Coptic family raises disturbing questions.
by Olivier Guitta
01/31/2005, Volume 010, Issue 19


DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF the investigation, a recent grisly murder in Jersey City, New Jersey, may be a sign of things to come in our domestic war on terror.

On Friday, January 14, 2005, police discovered the bodies of a family of four Egyptian Copts slain in their home. Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal, 37, and their daughters Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, had been bound, gagged, and their throats slit.

The motive for the quadruple slaying has not yet been established. FBI agents are assisting with the investigation. Hudson County prosecutors say the killers refrained from taking expensive jewelry, but Armanious's wallet had been emptied and his pockets turned out.

"We know that money was taken," said prosecutor Edward De Fazio. "Whether that was the primary motivation, we don't know. To think that someone would commit this type of crime for a small amount of money does not make sense."

According to friends and relatives, the family was not particularly wealthy. Hossam Armanious was a headwaiter and his wife a postal clerk. Interestingly, assistant prosecutor Guy Gregory said, "It doesn't appear to be random. It appears to be a specific act. Someone was able to gain access without forcing entry."

Another possible motive that is being reviewed is religious hatred. Armanious was active in Internet chat rooms defending the Copts against Islamic extremists. The Coptic church, whose presence in Egypt goes back nearly 2,000 years, has suffered persecution off and on over the centuries, intensifying in the last 10 years. Armanious had reportedly received a death threat online: "We will hunt you down . . . and kill you." Investigators have taken a computer from the children's bedroom. And according to the New York Post, a relative of Jersey City mayor Jerramiah Healy said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

Additional disturbing details point in this direction. First, the brutality and methodology of the crime do not fit the profile for simple robbery but rather call to mind the Islamist killings of Western hostages like Daniel Pearl in Pakistan and Nick Berg in Iraq.

In addition, the investigators acknowledge that a relative of the victims had helped prosecutors in their case against lawyer Lynne Stewart, currently on trial in Manhattan for allegedly carrying messages for her imprisoned client, the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, serving a life sentence for conspiring to blow up New York landmarks including the United Nations building.

The investigators downplay a possible connection between the Armanious case and the Stewart trial. What remains suggestive, however, is that the Armanious murder occurred in what some nickname "Terror City" because of its history of Islamic extremist activity.

Jersey City gained this reputation after the first bombing of the World Trade Center, on February 26, 1993, which was carried out by a local terrorist cell. The van used in the attack was rented in Jersey City, the bomb was built in several Jersey City apartments, and the perpetrators frequented the Jersey City mosque presided over by Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman. Indeed, Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 attack, made contact with followers of the blind Egyptian sheikh upon his arrival in the United States. Through the mosque, he met Mohammed A. Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, and Mahmud Abouhalima, all of whom participated in the attack.

According to terrorism expert Steven Emerson, Alkhifa, a precursor to al Qaeda, had one of its main offices in Jersey City. Soon after September 11, in November 2001, a reporter from the Canadian daily National Post, Marina Jimenez, visited the Jersey City mosque undercover. In an article entitled "The radicalization of U.S. Muslims," she noted the stern warning posted in front of the mosque: "Those who do not belong to this Muslim community will be prosecuted for trespassing." The mosque's Egyptian-born imam, Sheikh Mohammed, she reported, called for a show of loyalty not to the United States, but to oppressed Muslims around the world, especially in Chechnya, Palestine, and Afghanistan, echoing Osama bin Laden's message.

Whatever the motive turns out to have been for the horrible Armanious murders, they have sparked fear among Copts in the United States. Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church where the victims attended services, said, "I am concerned for the safety of our community." Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local Coptic newspaper, added, "People are scared because one family was slain like cows."

If it turns out that this violent crime had a religious motivation, then--like the Dutch after the brutal murder last November of filmmaker Theo van Gogh for sharply criticizing Islam--we will be forced to recognize that major attacks such as September 11 are not the only way that terrorism can strike us here at home.

Olivier Guitta is a freelance writer specializing in Islam and Europe.


honeydew   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-03-06 12:58:14

As i read the link that u provided ..the heading of that article is "Web site probed in family's deaths " so i am assuming that the heading :criticise islam on the internet?-u maybe is killed" is your own take on the article.??

i think you might be provoking people into a religious debate. Already in the article they say that it could be a robbery, as no religious symbols were desecrated . so if i were you i would refrain from putting my judgment across so strongly.

cheers and have a nice day.



honeydew   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-03-06 13:01:30

I just noticed the article is dated tuesday 1 2005 .!! why are you posting it now??



maple_asian   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-03-06 22:49:30

Honestly, I am not trying to provoke religious debate but I was trying to warn the dangers of thinking they are safe because they are in a western democracy.

Many non-mainstream news media believe that the egyptian christian in Jersey city was murdered due to the the same reason why Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland.


amitcr   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-03-06 22:55:39

Why are we so scared to call a spade a spade?



maple_asian   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-03-06 23:07:28

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Forcanada   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-03-06 02:14:23

Do you really want to convince us that you stopped reading newspapers since January 31, 2005?
:sleep: :sleep:


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/287052p-245663c.html



Coptic family killed
in robbery: police



BY AUSTIN FENNER
and OWEN MORITZ
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS


Hamilton Sanchez being escorted from arraignment in New Jersey courthouse.

A Jersey City family slaughtered inside their home in January died for money - not their religious beliefs, prosecutors said yesterday.
An upstairs neighbor and his alleged accomplice were charged yesterday with the brutal murders of Hossam Armanious, 47, and his wife and two daughters.

Hudson County prosecutors revealed that the two paroled drug dealers bound, gagged and stabbed Armanious and his family because his daughter recognized upstairs tenant Edward McDonald during a robbery.

McDonald, 25, and Hamilton Sanchez, 30, were each held on $10 million bail on four counts of murder yesterday. Weeping as he was led away, the muscular Sanchez cried out: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"I didn't do it. I didn't kill nobody.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Coptic Christians in Jersey City had believed that the Egyptian family was butchered in their apartment by Muslim extremists because Armanious posted anti-Muslim comments on the Internet.

But Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"the motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Authorities said Armanious, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were killed three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

Cops went to the family's home after relatives had not heard from them for days.

DeFazio said McDonald and Sanchez entered the Oakland Ave. home wearing masks. They allegedly bound and gagged the mother and her daughters and waited for the father to come home.

After Armanious arrived, Monica managed to loosen her bonds and recognized McDonald, DeFazio said. McDonald then killed the girl and Sanchez murdered her father, mother and sister, authorities said.

Even after the grisly murders, McDonald and his family continued to live upstairs.

It took authorities almost two months to obtain the slain family's bank records. When they did, they found McDonald had withdrawn thousands of dollars from Armanious' account using an ATM card.

Garas' brother, Eyan Garas, said he met McDonald at the prosecutor's office during the homicide probe. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"When I saw him for the first time, he was with his kids and his wife,\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" he said. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"He was like an angel.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"

Originally published on March 5, 2005





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