Posted on: 16-07-04 21:34:34
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the first and foremost reason why people run into problems is, they move to the wrong place... location location location...
Nice post!
May we know your location please!
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Thanks bighead .ur post was really encouraging.
To tell u guys abt my background.
I have done Diploma in Business Management from India and have 7 years of work experience in the field of finance,banking,accounts at very senior level.
Ok those of our members who r in the field of finance ,I have my next question..
Which course after getting my PR (MBA or CGA or CA from from canada )
shud i go for.Can somebody provide me the details.
What is the salary that one shud draw to ahve a reasonable standard of living ?
Thanks again big head
Hi Bighead,
Since you are in Calgary & I am moving to Calgary from India in August '04, can you guide me regarding the opportunities for Sales (software/computer sales) in Calgary?
I am into sale of licensed software of companies like Microsoft, Corel, Citrix, Computer Associates, Symantec, etc. for around 14 yrs. now.
Thanks.
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Thanks a million bighead!!
You have really cooled me off as i too have applied for immigration in the recent past but was very depressed reading several posts here.
Thanks a million bighead!!
Nice post and very few post like this on Canadian Desi.
People who gets their field job within a month or two have to mention their case properly here, why they get and 95% of people have not? Just tell that i got job in 2 days of my arrival is not helpful to other but it dipress others.
I know every person has its different story of sucess but he has to explain in details even (-)things also, if he really want to help others.
"Jo Jita Vo Sikander" thats our mentality..
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At the outset, let me congratulate you Bighead for a wonderful and very explantory post. I couldn't agree more with the situations, reasons or causes and results that you have outlined. Yes, it is extremely important to do your homework, and that goes not only with moving to a different country, but it is equally important for a persons changing a simple thing like job, or a city within his own country.
But coupled with that is another very important factor - and to me it is perhaps one single important factor from which emerge other factors. One has to do his homework, or any other preparation, considering his OWN situation, priorities, strengths and shortcomings. Since no two situations are same, two persons seemingly in exactly the same situation/position in life might find the change entirely different. this could result from one's expectations, aspirations, or even external factors unique to him (like family situation, responsibilites/help/problems etc. etc.)
I will like to further elaborate on this by giving my own example - and let me repeat - I do agree 100% with your views, but the same had another side for my personal experience.
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its all a matter of personal choices... yes there are a LOT of people who screwed themselves silly by coming here, but my personal view is, 90% of people who failed is because they didnt do their homework before they hopped onto a plane...
I did all the homework - contacted my friends/aquaintances in and out of Canada and asked about life in Canada. Came to Canada for one full month just to explore the country and stayed 10 days each in Vancouver, Toronto and Kingston to compare difference in life in three kinds of cities. Met persons in my profession and those no where connected to it, met some highly successful people both in business and in profession/jobs and got their views. Weighed each and every aspect of my life by selecting 10 most important things for me (like jobs/money/family values/children's education/domestic and social help etc.) in a matrix form. Still - the end result was, I failed. Why I still have not been able to understand. I failed even after I came to Canada with the idea that between my wife and I we will be able to make about 60-70 k, which was half of what I was making in Indonesia.
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its very unfortunate that a LOT of desi's have incorrect expectations about migration which in my opinion is one of the leading factors as to why people have difficulties migrating... desi's come from a mindset where they dont really have any struggle (or any significant struggle) back home, things always come easy to a person when he or she has an established base already to build on such as family, friends etc... all migrants migrate because they aspire to be better (which is a good thing)... they assume they will be afforded the same facilities as they had back home which is never the case... even if you have close family or friends here you just cannot expect the same level of support you did back home from them...
Fully agreed - but in my case, the expectations were that being a G7 country, this would be better than Singapore and Hongkong, where I had lived and led a very satisfactory life. I think that was one of the biggest mistakes I made - if I was migrating from India, that would have been true, but not when compared to Singapore! AND SO THIS EXPECTATION WAS UNIQUE TO ME.
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the first and foremost reason why people run into problems is, they move to the wrong place... location location location... the choice of where you want to move to should be based on a number of factors
Very true again - but I think I had made a right choice - being a finance professional, and having lived in big cities like Delhi/Singapore/jakarta/Hongkong all my life, Toronto seemed to be the right decision because it is the financial centre of Canada. but only after a few years of stay here I have realised that this city is glutted with Finance and Accounting professionals.
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the next thing is the skills the desi's bring to where they are going... again as an example, java programmers moving to toronto where there are hundred other java programmers already there without employment... what else can you expect? bottom line is, these days, not just in canada but like any other country with a mature economy, employers have a wide variety of candidates to pick and choose from... and they obviously want to get the best value for their dollar... a lot of desi's dont think about what they can do to make their employment prospects better in a new country.. they automatically assume that they are good enough as they are and are unwilling to be flexible... and then things dont work out the way they want it to, untimately end up blaming lack of canadian experience (which i agree is a important factor - but it can still be overcome, it all depends on how you package and present yourself)
Couldn't agree more! but once again, my choice and expectation (on paper) was right. With 15 years of professional experience in varied fields - ranging from working for one of the big four in my field, to large trading companies to a manufacturing company voted 5 years in a row as one of the 10 best financially managed companies in Indonesia, to handling everything a CA can think of (accounting/finance/treasury/foreign exchange/local and international banking/offshore structuring/etc.) I was still told 'lack of Canadian Experience' And now after 2 1/2 years of Canadian experience, it has turned to 'lack of senior level Canadian Experience' just because, after fighting for sometime, I agreed to take up survival jobs of labour or accounting clerk. So That again is true. So initially one compromises, and then it becomes your career history and you suffer!
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also, what i have started noticing in people who move to canada is, they try to get experiences of others specially on the internet, and most of the things they read there are bad... its usually a person who has failed in canada who will rant and rave the loudest about how he was screwed by this country and how he should never have come here... there are very very very few posts on the internet about the success stories (and there are a LOT of success stories) and unfortunately reading all these negative experiences, we set ourselves up for failure... we come here expecting to fail (but obviously hoping to succeed) and in that state of mind unfortunately are not able to recognize any oppurtunities they present themselves, or become too timid to make new oppurtunities for ourselves...
True - but not true. If I had had a good internet connection in 99 in Indonesia, and if I had something like CanadianDesi to get some advice from, I would have been happily sitting in a cushy life in Indonesia/Singapore. Because everytime a call was received at home, the internet connection was dropped, which was very bad to start with, I could hardly surf the net before coming to Canada. I never read anything bad about Canada, and all the persons I met in Canada were successful (may be because at that time I myself was riding high in my professional and social life and so moved only in such circles), I never saw the pitfalls of Canadian life.So that is why I say, true but not true!
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bottom line is, once you move to a new place, you have to be flexible and adaptable to the new place, and that includes the society and culture... we come from a mindset where it is the husbands responsibility to provide for the house and the wife takes care of the house... in canada, you need a two income household in most cases.. unfortunately, a lot of the wives who come here are too timid to become involved in the income generation process, just because they have never had to do it back home... this is just a simple example of the need to be flexible...
Silly me - will say it is true, but not with me. My problem was that I have a wife who can and once did generate income before coming to Canada, so I was forced to count on her strength too - not that she did not prove it right (today she is the earning member in the family!) - but that made me weaker than other desis who come here who know for SURE that their wives cannot generate enough money to run the household! So once again, while your argument is absolutely right, in my situation it different.
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and biggest thing, you just CANNOT model another person's experience and expect you will go through the same thing... each individual case is different... two people with the exact same situation in the exact same place will have two different stories to tell...
That is the point I started with (just in case readers have got confused reading such a long and perhaps boring post!) - fully agreeing to your each point, I still have a different story - which could be for many more in different fashion, for different reasons.
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i must admit, i have been very lucky... by the grace of god, everything i have touched since coming here has become gold... but i also know i am not the only one...
That is the ultimate truth and something that I stress on again and again. As someone has pointed out 'jo jeeta vo hi sikandar'. Last night I was talking to my salhaj (salaji's wife) - my b.i.l. spent 18 years with multinationals in India, at very good positions going upto country chief (last drawn 35 lakhs p.a.)- but for last 2 years he is sitting at home without a job. And when I told his wife 'bhabhi suna hai ki aajkal to vapas job market accha ho gaya hai India main......' her reply was ' baat to sahi hai - lekin hamare liye to tab accha hoga jis din hame job milega'!! he still remains the same dynamic and intelligent guy - but luck has run out on him for last two years!
Chandresh
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