Just expressing my views about a person who has been posting similar messages in different section.

I can understand that person is frustrated about being in Canada. He/She does not like the Canadian health system/the Canadian way of life. He/She still rants about the better life quality in India. Everything is good on that side of Atlantic/Pacific, everthing here is bad and depressing.

I can understand that feeling. I have been through the same phase during my first few years in Canada. I have vented my frustration again and again to my friends/colleagues/relatives. I was almost on the verge of leaving this country.

However, looking back at the past, I realize one mistake that I did. I never involved myself whole-heartedly into Canadian society. I was always an Indian lost among the thousands of Canadians - trying hard to maintain and preseve my Indian identity. I always remained aloof - always maintained a distance. Now I realize that was a bad mistake on my part. All the poison I had in my mind in Canada only made me bitter. Had I taken time to socialize, to be part of this country, perhaps life could have been a bit happier for me. Well, but it was not too late for me.

But for this person - for once try to take interest and involve yourself in the mainstream. For once, let yourself go loose from your Indian identity, just let yourself be a Canadian. For once, do not think about Manmohan Singh, think about Stephen Harper. For once, make a habit of watching Peter Mansbridge on CBC rather than watching an Ekta Kapoor creation on Zee TV. For once, try to make a list of good things (if any) that you can find here. Summer is here, and try getting outside of Toronto, and enjoy the beauty of Canada. For once, try making a friend with a Canadian colleague. For once, try discussing about Paris Hilton rather than Aishwarya Rai.

You are the cause of the bitterness in your life. And complaining or b****ing about Canada on this board is not going to do anything good.

Or as teens say here "suck it up" and try assuming a Canadian identity for once. Try forgeting about your 'brown identity" and try to be a "colourless" Canadian.

Life will be much better for you then. IMHO

Meghal

This is my personal view

First of all I think this is a free world no one has the right to tell people what they want to do and what not to do...

Your are trying to tell people to be more like canadians and start liking or watching Paris Hilton instead of Ash

Here are some views

1. Will a Gora who has come to stay India ..will start watching Star Plus serials with English subtitles ...NO they still watch their English movies channel

Well You might say they don't understand Hindi but if they like Paris Hilton more than Ash Rai then let it be no one can tell them what to like or not..so you shud stop behaving like a head mistress..

And yes any educated desi person wud talk about Paris too..so it's a matter of choice and not as you want to force it on people.


OK can you say the same thing to a white person who stays in India..try it and I'm sure they wud laugh on you


2. You say that we should behave like true Canadians so let me ask you are you like Candians who have sex with multiple partners,treating sex like a cup of coffee...

3. Are you willing to adapt yourself to the Canadian culture and start going to to a Church. ...just because you are in Canada

I know so many goras who have come from diff parts of the world and even today they maintain their heritage..that means people like you are crazy...or stupid I must say


3. You say that ppl here should socialize....here desi are so jealous of each other they cannot stand the success of others..


4. You say start thinking about Stephen Harper and not Mamohan Singh..well see we cannot stop thinking about Manmohan Singh because he is connected to our motherland so anything he does or says affects our lives and our family.

5. You say summers are good here..well what about winters..so ther are a lot of post regarding this so I won't comment check this site yourself.

6. You say forget about our "Brown Identity" well just try saying to white people " Forget your White Identity" I"m sure they will give you a peace of their minds.

And yes nothing is called as "colourless Indentity" you may deny it but the fact is that skin color still rules in this world.


8. An yes you say that giving negative views is not going to help. Well then what's the meaning of this forum anyway.

See there was a post about the health system and how someone's daughter was sick and how these people faced so much pain from this health system.

So if people like him stop posting their view or experience how will someone who wants to immigrate know the truth.
Everyone thinks that the Canadian Helath System is great.

7. AND YES LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST..
YOU SHUD START SURFING WEBSITES OR FORUMS WHICH CANADIANS LIKE CBC.COM,CTV.CA,PULSE24.COM AND NOT CANADIANDESI.CA

as you cannot stand the views of people ...

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Originally posted by meghal

Just expressing my views about a person who has been posting similar messages in different section.

I can understand that person is frustrated about being in Canada. He/She does not like the Canadian health system/the Canadian way of life. He/She still rants about the better life quality in India. Everything is good on that side of Atlantic/Pacific, everthing here is bad and depressing.

I can understand that feeling. I have been through the same phase during my first few years in Canada. I have vented my frustration again and again to my friends/colleagues/relatives. I was almost on the verge of leaving this country.

However, looking back at the past, I realize one mistake that I did. I never involved myself whole-heartedly into Canadian society. I was always an Indian lost among the thousands of Canadians - trying hard to mintain and preseve my Indian identity. I always remained aloof - always maintained a distance. Now I realize that was a bad mistake on my part. All the poison I had in my mind in Canada only made me bitter. Had I taken time to socialize, to be part of this country, perhaps life could have been a bit happier for me. Well, but it was not too late for me.

But for this person - for once try to take interest and involve yourself in the mainstream. For once, let yourself go loose from your Indian identity, just let yourself be a Canadian. For once, do not think about Manmohan Singh, think about Stephen Harper. For once, make a habit of watching Peter Mansbridge on CBC rather than watching an Ekta Kapoor creation on Zee TV. For once, try to make a list of good things (if any) that you can find here. Summer is here, and try getting outside of Toronto, and enjoy the beauty of Canada. For once, try making a friend with a Canadian colleague. For once, try discussing about Paris Hilton rather than Aishwarya Rai.

You are the cause of the bitterness in your life. And complaining or b****ing about Canada on this board is not going to do anything good.

Or as teens say here "suck it up" and try assuming a Canadian identity for once. Try forgeting about your 'brown identity" and try to be a "colourless" Canadian.

Life will be much better for you then. IMHO

Meghal

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I agree with meghal, that one should socialise more with the surroundings and the culture where he lives.
and for jasmeek, as u said: -
"2. You say that we should behave like true Canadians so let me ask you are you like Candians who have sex with multiple partners,treating sex like a cup of coffee..."

sex is not part of culture, and it is individuals right to do whatever wherever he/she wants and with whome. but keeping in mind others feeling and the people around.

so I request not to mix canadian culture and sex. and if u think that India is very clean this way, then excuse us.........
Indians have more extra maritial affairs then canadians. atleast canadians divorse their partners and live separately.....

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Learn from past mistakes, Plan for future, Live in Present by Duncan

Hi,
I am an Indian who came to Canada saw the other side of the world and then made an decision for me its better back to be in India.
Now i am reading the heated argument these are my views.


If u have noticed all the arguments are between senior dessi and the new ones.The difference is the senior desi came withstood the shock and now tries to assimilate in the country.

When i was there i had an oppurtunity to see all the systems for which Canada is rated one of the best countries.I see all those systems where made in 1970-80 when north america was economically top.

In the post 2000 scenario all the systems will collapse as this sytems like the health care,pension were made thinking that north america will always remain top.With changing scenrios and china and india becoming economic giants of the future its but natural these systems will collapse if reforms are not carried out.Its difficult for reforms to be carried out since the biggest benificiary at the moment are the white canadians.I am sure by the time the brown immigrant is ready to take advantage of this system it would have collapsed.

There is no use sitting and crying u have to make ur decision on which side u want to be and then not look back and crib.

Its good that both sides views are being posted as its necessary for any new immigrant to know all the views so that he will be able to take right decision.

Happy to be back in India

I agree with Meghal and I don't know why jasmeek is taking all this so personally. Meghal is not behaving like a head mistress. The points put across are mere suggestions, it's upto the person concerned to decide whether or not he/she wants to implement them.

I really don't know why sex and multiple sex partners are brought into the discussion every time the topic goes even remotely close to canadian lifestyle v/s Indian lifestyle or canadian culture v/s Indian culture. Every culture has it positives and negatives. IF according to someone multiple sex partners is bad culture then what about dowry system in India? And are we trying to say that India is a land of limitless virgins? come on India is the most populous country in the world. What do you think is the national past time of Indians? And go and talk to any indian teenager in small town India and you will be surprised how much he knows about sex. And since we are panning canada over multiple sex partners, I just read a news report in a indian newspaper on how a man raped his son's wife in Mumbai. I am sure you guys must have read reports on how a swiss lady was raped in a moving van in delhi and after that the rapist gave her a lecture on indian culture! And I am sure u know about the german national who was raped in rajasthan by some cop's son or something like that. What bout the south african model whose drink was spiked in a Mumbai club and she was raped by two guys? Would you say all these examples show a good side about indian culture? What image do you think the swiss and german ladies must have taken back with them about india and indian culture? And why does the discussion always go towards sex and multiple sex? Is that the only criteria that decides which culture is good and which is bad?

Both Canadian and Indian culture have their good and bad things. It's upto us to absorb the good things from both cultures and ignore the bad things.

AS for the topic under discussion, meghal has some good points. By talking about paris hilton, the person wouldn't be forgetting ash would he? By discussing about stephen harper, the indian immigrant wouldn't be forgetting manmohan singh would he? Considering how ignorant most canadians are about the world outside North America, I can only say, their interaction with us Indians will widen their knowledge base!

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I agree with Meghal and I don't know why jasmeek is taking all this so personally. Meghal is not behaving like a head mistress. The points put across are mere suggestions, it's upto the person concerned to decide whether or not he/she wants to implement them.

I really don't know why sex and multiple sex partners are brought into the discussion every time the topic goes even remotely close to canadian lifestyle v/s Indian lifestyle or canadian culture v/s Indian culture. Every culture has it positives and negatives. IF according to someone multiple sex partners is bad culture then what about dowry system in India? And are we trying to say that India is a land of limitless virgins? come on India is the most populous country in the world. What do you think is the national past time of Indians? And go and talk to any indian teenager in small town India and you will be surprised how much he knows about sex. And since we are panning canada over multiple sex partners, I just read a news report in a indian newspaper on how a man raped his son's wife in Mumbai. I am sure you guys must have read reports on how a swiss lady was raped in a moving van in delhi and after that the rapist gave her a lecture on indian culture! And I am sure u know about the german national who was raped in rajasthan by some cop's son or something like that. What bout the south african model whose drink was spiked in a Mumbai club and she was raped by two guys? Would you say all these examples show a good side about indian culture? What image do you think the swiss and german ladies must have taken back with them about india and indian culture? And why does the discussion always go towards sex and multiple sex? Is that the only criteria that decides which culture is good and which is bad?

Both Canadian and Indian culture have their good and bad things. It's upto us to absorb the good things from both cultures and ignore the bad things.

AS for the topic under discussion, meghal has some good points. By talking about paris hilton, the person wouldn't be forgetting ash would he? By discussing about stephen harper, the indian immigrant wouldn't be forgetting manmohan singh would he? Considering how ignorant most canadians are about the world outside North America, I can only say, their interaction with us Indians will widen their knowledge base!

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And are we trying to say that India is a land of limitless virgins?

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