An open letter to a "specific person"
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Salutations.
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Originally posted by soon-2-b-R2I
Guys, People who came here doesn't mean that they should love this country & culture.
At least I am very sure that an educated person will not call them 'loser' just because they don't like it here as lots of people do. This site is developed to say your opinion about Canada.
Doesn't matter where we are in this world we will miss India, as it is our home. all non Indian immigrants miss their homes too.
Canada doesn't have any culture to adapt because it is a country of immigrants, so actually it will give you opportunity to make Indian culture richer. As in India we follow lots of things just for sake.
When lots of us came here they didn't come here because India wasn't good enough.
Those who like it here, it is not right on your part to call names to India & Indians.
Those who don't like it here, try to take a better decision in your life, if situation allows either go back to our home or try to make a better living here. The more you hate Canada it will be harder for you to live here.
I am not taking any country's side, we liked this country, lived 8 years here & we are leaving for India for good.
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Posted on: 15-04-06 18:07:03
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Posted on: 15-04-06 18:07:03
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Originally posted by meghal
Just expressing my views about a person who has been posting similar messages in different section.
I can understand that person is frustrated about being in Canada. He/She does not like the Canadian health system/the Canadian way of life. He/She still rants about the better life quality in India. Everything is good on that side of Atlantic/Pacific, everthing here is bad and depressing.
I can understand that feeling. I have been through the same phase during my first few years in Canada. I have vented my frustration again and again to my friends/colleagues/relatives. I was almost on the verge of leaving this country.
However, looking back at the past, I realize one mistake that I did. I never involved myself whole-heartedly into Canadian society. I was always an Indian lost among the thousands of Canadians - trying hard to maintain and preseve my Indian identity. I always remained aloof - always maintained a distance. Now I realize that was a bad mistake on my part. All the poison I had in my mind in Canada only made me bitter. Had I taken time to socialize, to be part of this country, perhaps life could have been a bit happier for me. Well, but it was not too late for me.
But for this person - for once try to take interest and involve yourself in the mainstream. For once, let yourself go loose from your Indian identity, just let yourself be a Canadian. For once, do not think about Manmohan Singh, think about Stephen Harper. For once, make a habit of watching Peter Mansbridge on CBC rather than watching an Ekta Kapoor creation on Zee TV. For once, try to make a list of good things (if any) that you can find here. Summer is here, and try getting outside of Toronto, and enjoy the beauty of Canada. For once, try making a friend with a Canadian colleague. For once, try discussing about Paris Hilton rather than Aishwarya Rai.
You are the cause of the bitterness in your life. And complaining or b****ing about Canada on this board is not going to do anything good.
Or as teens say here "suck it up" and try assuming a Canadian identity for once. Try forgeting about your 'brown identity" and try to be a "colourless" Canadian.
Life will be much better for you then. IMHO
Meghal
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To the person concerned about this " Individual" :
I actually met this "Person" talked about and i did not find him to be the kind of individual that you guys have painted him to be. For one, He is highly educated, experienced and knowledgable (so highly educated and has such an experience and knowledge that he puts my Education , experience and knowledge to shame) than many Desi Immigrants that i have met or known. Also note that this individual does not have an obligation to advise new immigrants how people can be cheated by the canadian system but has chosen to just b'cos he cares about people. And do not think that this " Individual" has been cheated by the Canadian system and that he is feeling so frustrated and negetive about it that he is having an outlet at CD. He is too mature for it . If CD has the sole objective of painting only the good things of Canada and not the bad things then this " Individual" (and me also) are at fault. But if CD has the objective of portraying the bad stuff also along with the goodness in Canada, then we are not at fault. All out claims can be backed with concrete proof just as sucessful people in Canada can back their claims with solid proof.
In a way, it is true that he has been cheated to some extent but he already knows all the facts that can be done to rectify this problem. This "individual" also has concrete action plan to utilise fully the Canadian system.
This "Individual" has chosen Canada as a stepping stone to venture into USA and that is why he is still here. Otherwise he would be elsewhere in a country which respects his qualifications and experience. Recently he has got a good job offer from USA and his visa is being processed. I pray to God that he will sucessfully enter USA and contribute to the betterment of USA. His exodus would be a loss to Canada and never a gain to Canada.
I am sure that many sucessful IT people and other sucessful labourers doing 2 jobs and owning houses in Canada find his posts irritating but be aware that his posts are not for the sucessful people but only for people who have been cheated by the system (including myself and many of my friends). You may disagree with his ideas but his ideas are a morale booster for many.
Belive me , This person is not that naive to be frustrated with this country or its people. In fact this person (IMO) has more knowledge of how to blend with Canadians rather than many desi's who claim to have sucessfully blended with the local population. Remember that even before the IT boom this " Individual" has studied (Ph.D.) and has worked in USA. So he knows how to blend with the local population.
Remember, This individual " Does not have to" but "has chosen to".
In the end i would like to recall Dave , the founder of Wendy intl. who said about his charity for homeless children " if we can secure the life of just one child, then i would consider my job well done". In the same way i would like to say that if we can educate just one immigrant/ prospective immigrant about the real situation in Canada, we would consider our job well done. (Thank you CD, for giving us a platform to share our views).
CONCLUSION: The initial purpose of the post / contents is applicable to many desi immigrants in Canada (Incl. Me) but it is stupidity to address it to the Individual that it has been addressed to for the simple fact that "This Individual" is above the contents expressed in the initial post
TK
Sidenote : I have been forced by my employer to work for 12 hours a day on friday, sat and sunday + the normal working days (all without overtime). Please note that i am not feeling negetive about it since i know the policy "If you like it , stay: if not , leave".Since i know this " Individual" personally, my mind could not take the wrong things written about him and that is why my explanatory letter. I am sorry if this has offended any sucessful immigrant.
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Hi! TK,
Welcome back!!!
I was missing your disclaimers.
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Originally posted by soon-2-b-R2I
Canada doesn't have any culture to adapt because it is a country of immigrants, so actually it will give you opportunity to make Indian culture richer. As in India we follow lots of things just for sake.
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Originally posted by duncan
Surd culture is solid taking hold- Vaisakhi in parliament aur panch kakkars being recognised and kirpans being allowed in the patshalla.
Sala in India many states are banning kirpans in school aur here in Manitoba aur BC allowed hai- aur kya mangta hai?
Soon we will be of hearing "allah al akbar" blasting out from speakers early in morning and waking up the people.
Mazaa hi mazaa !
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hinglish zindabad
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
Meghal:
Here's what a masters or a doctorate CAN give you! A laminated certificate and some letters in bold on your resume.
Here's what it can't. Common sense.
I know who you're talking about and you're hitting your head against a brick wall here, dude!If I were you, I'd save the effort.
On second thought, someone else may pick up something positive from your post. Let's hope so at least.
Matlab Masters aur PHD's ko common sense nahin hai?
Lagrela tera gul hogela.
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hinglish zindabad
hahahaha
Tinke ko tinke ka "sahara"
and "transmogrifier" as u said:-
"Surd culture is solid taking hold- Vaisakhi in parliament aur panch kakkars being recognised and kirpans being allowed in the patshalla.
Sala in India many states are banning kirpans in school aur here in Manitoba aur BC allowed hai- aur kya mangta hai?
Soon we will be of hearing "allah al akbar" blasting out from speakers early in morning and waking up the people. "
Read this carefully:-
that surds are living in canada from back since 1890's and punjabi is the third most spoken language in this country after english and french. and Canada is called "mini punjab" cause of increasing population of punjabis and cause of the maximum contribution towards economy and businesses of canada from punjabis.
and to remind u is that Punjab in India is also the richest state with people having open hearts. and if u don't know bout the importance of wearing a "kirpan" for sikh THEN PLEASE SHIT UR MOUTH OR GO AND ASK FROM ANY SIKH AROUND. before giving ur foolish comments on religions, people like u have created difference among people in India and now in canada toooooo......... I won't tollerate any anti-religious comments from anyone, neither agianst sikhs, nor muslims and nor hindhus. first learn to be a human and respect humans.........
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Learn from past mistakes, Plan for future, Live in Present by Duncan
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Originally posted by jasmeek
This is my personal view
First of all I think this is a free world no one has the right to tell people what they want to do and what not to do...
Your are trying to tell people to be more like Canadians and start liking or watching Paris Hilton instead of Ash
Here are some views
1. Will a Gora who has come to stay India ..will start watching Star Plus serials with English subtitles ...NO they still watch their English movies channel
Well You might say they don't understand Hindi but if they like Paris Hilton more than Ash Rai then let it be no one can tell them what to like or not..so you shud stop behaving like a head mistress..
You seem to be more obsessed by Paris than any Gora I've ever known
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Originally posted by jasmeek
And yes any educated desi person wud talk about Paris too..so it's a matter of choice and not as you want to force it on people.
I didn't realize that Meghal was trying to force "Paris" on anyone. Also, when did Paris Hilton become a standard for education?
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Originally posted by jasmeek
OK can you say the same thing to a white person who stays in India..try it and I'm sure they wud laugh on you
Obviously you have never had any contact with any "White Folks" in India so FYI, they actually love and enjoy Indian Culture (except the few exceptions who are sent to India on short term projects and never get a chance to explore India. Same is true for our Desi brothers from TCS working in Canada
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Originally posted by jasmeek
2. You say that we should behave like true Canadians so let me ask you are you like Candians who have sex with multiple partners,treating sex like a cup of coffee...
Which magic hat did you pull that juicy tidbit about "True Canadians"? MY GOD!! ALERT Mr. HARPER!!! "True Canadians" are equating sex with Coffee!!!
Sheesh! You'll be denouncing Tim Horton's next as the singular cause for Teenage Pregnancy in Canada.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
3. Are you willing to adapt yourself to the Canadian culture and start going to to a Church. ...just because you are in Canada
Ahem! Canada has an official separation between Church and State. Nowhere does the Canadian Government require you to start going to church in order to "adapt". That is more than what can be said about dear mother India where religion is nothing more than a pedestal for a politician's rise to power.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
I know so many goras who have come from diff parts of the world and even today they maintain their heritage..that means people like you are crazy...or stupid I must say
Hey? What happened to the "Free World, don't tell others what to do..." bit? Are you in a habit of contradicting yourself? These goras that you keep talking about are exactly what we are trying to exemplify - people who have figured out the benefits of a dual heritage. They are Canadians and yet they maintain their ancestral heritage. Unlike Indians who never give-up their dogmatic ideas from back home in favor of more progressive ideology of the west (please, save your "thaka hua" arguments about the superior Indian culture and all that)
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Originally posted by jasmeek
3. You say that ppl here should socialize....here desi are so jealous of each other they cannot stand the success of others..
So what's stopping you from socializing with people other than desis? Will sure do you a world of good to get some exposure to other aspects of Canada.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
4. You say start thinking about Stephen Harper and not Mamohan Singh..well see we cannot stop thinking about Manmohan Singh because he is connected to our motherland so anything he does or says affects our lives and our family.
Last I checked, it was Mr. Harper who was the PM of Canada and till the time you are residing in Canada, he will the one making decisions that affect the lives of you and your family so better PAY ATTENTION.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
5. You say summers are good here..well what about winters..so ther are a lot of post regarding this so I won't comment check this site yourself.
Did you ever bother to check the climate here before you moved? Are you suggesting that it is (as everything else) the Canadian Government's fault that Canada has severe winters? Why don't you look towards warmer climates like Vancouver - but wait! what's the point. You'll find something to whine about there too.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
6. You say forget about our "Brown Identity" well just try saying to white people " Forget your White Identity" I"m sure they will give you a peace of their minds.
Nobody is asking anybody to forget their "Brown Identity". However, unless people of different races start getting exposure to each other, we can never achieve the "Great Integrity", the fusion of all races that result in what you call a "colorless identity"
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Originally posted by jasmeek
And yes nothing is called as "colorless Identity" you may deny it but the fact is that skin color still rules in this world.
only if you let it rule you and your life.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
8. An yes you say that giving negative views is not going to help. Well then what's the meaning of this forum anyway.
This site is for helping new immigrants get "relevant facts" and advise about life in Canada, not a personal vent for your frustrations - real or imaginary.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
See there was a post about the health system and how someone's daughter was sick and how these people faced so much pain from this health system.
So if people like him stop posting their view or experience how will someone who wants to immigrate know the truth.
Everyone thinks that the Canadian Helath System is great.
His post at least had specific details about his unfortunate experience. You on the other hand haven't made any sense since the first alphabet you typed in response to Meghal's post.
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Originally posted by jasmeek
7. AND YES LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST..
YOU SHUD START SURFING WEBSITES OR FORUMS WHICH CANADIANS LIKE CBC.COM,CTV.CA,PULSE24.COM AND NOT CANADIANDESI.CA
as you cannot stand the views of people ...
There you go, contradicting yourself again. Who's acting like a Headmistress now? Eh?
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