Is it all over for the India?
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Posted on: 02-06-12 21:15:06
Even I dont think anything is over for india, but as long as india does not ramp up its infrastructure and other services it will be difficult for india to sustain .
also india is on the growth tragectory it is today because of mostly US and in some part EU ( IT specifically and related services ) .
because of the earning power due to IT related services ( from abroad ) people in other industries have benefitted as well ( financial services, real estate and construction, manufacturing, health etc ) .
but the question is - is it sustainable ?
india has more than 50% population living on less than Rs 30/- a day ( these people are barely able to feed themselves ) .
Imagine if these people move to middle class. they will need housing, cars, roads for cars and most importantly food and water and electricity to sustain their middle class level.
Does india have the capacity to have the infrastructure to meet the demands of increasing middle class .
One way may be to export human resources to the countries where population is declining .
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Originally posted by sant
Even I dont think anything is over for india, but as long as india does not ramp up its infrastructure and other services it will be difficult for india to sustain .
also india is on the growth tragectory it is today because of mostly US and in some part EU ( IT specifically and related services ) .
because of the earning power due to IT related services ( from abroad ) people in other industries have benefitted as well ( financial services, real estate and construction, manufacturing, health etc ) .
but the question is - is it sustainable ?
india has more than 50% population living on less than Rs 30/- a day ( these people are barely able to feed themselves ) .
Imagine if these people move to middle class. they will need housing, cars, roads for cars and most importantly food and water and electricity to sustain their middle class level.
Does india have the capacity to have the infrastructure to meet the demands of increasing middle class .
One way may be to export human resources to the countries where population is declining .
Precisely! The key is sustainability and given the current conditions, this is not feasible. The impact of the global downturn is very evident on India (and will continue to be so). The country could weather this in a much better way if the internals were strong, but they're terrible. In the next 5-10 years, the most serious challenge will be providing basic resources for the massive population, most importantly water and electricity. If this is not planned for now with adequate foresight, the impact will be devastating with the poverty, abysmal law enforcement and corruption at all levels. Especially if the global economy stays in the current dire state.
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
"Dude" - the main point you've been harping on all along is a country's internal structure and functioning has nothing to do with superpower status. And then using Soviet union as an example, a country that collapsed from superpower status because of internal problems (I pointed you to a simple enough link you could understand on this). Now that your point has been proven wrong, you're back harping on about stuff that makes no sense.
You keep talking about the technical definition of a superpower. I'm talking about sustained progress and world influence, which are WAY more valuable. You're happy with superpower "status" that lasts for 50 years and collapses, I'm hoping for an India that sustains its progress through centuries, whether people like you consider it a superpower or not. So you can go on ranting about the Wikipedia link on superpower definition, practically it means nothing if the people in a country are not happy.
"Liberty and blah blah"?? heheh. Like someone said, the hypocrisy is epic for someone who's moved to Canada himself, just shows the sorry state of confusion. Why don't you go live in the rising superpower China if its "liberty and blah blah" to you? :-)
You obviously have no sense of history so it is pointless trying to explain to you that Tienanmen square is not history and finished like you think in your "liberty and blah blah" comprehension of the world.
He he
,your frustration is evident 
.... re read my above last 2 posts carefully and do not beat around the bush ...It is not my definition of a super power , its the world's definition ... It is you who is coining a new definition ... good luck with it though I do not think you are intellectual or worthy enough to coin new definitions ....
Even after 10 pages you have not been able to answer a basic q let alone prove anything ... How come USSR maintained a super power status for 50 years ... aka ... more than your age till now ... w/o your liberty and other arguments ....
And why is the world regarding China as an emerging superpower ..... ??? ...
You may want to live in your intoxicated world of utopia , but hey who s talking utopia or perfect world here .Maybe you are but then do not confuse it with the term super power t .... check your definitions and if you need help .. google ... I took exception to the fact that you have been ranting that no one has or can become a super power w/o all the goodness needed ... as imagined by you ... which is simply un true , unaware and WRONG - Simply google for super power , China & USSR ....
Don't be over conclusive - you have not been able to prove anything except of course prove your lack of definitions , happenings of the world and speculation based reasoning !!
So you will be starting a Tienanmen awareness too , after 20 years ... Good Luck with that as well , for other wise it is history for China as the world sees it .... but hey you don't agree with the world ... living in ur own imaginary cocoon ....
Reread Portia's post again and try to drill some horse sense into yourself , though I doubt anything will go in there .... but still make an effort who knows !!!
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Fido.
I think the original issue was about india, where did Russia and China come from ?
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Originally posted by Fido
He he
It is not my definition of a super power , its the world's definition ... It is you who is coining a new definition ... good luck with it though I do not think you are intellectual or worthy enough to coin new definitions ....
Even after 10 pages you have not been able to answer a basic q let alone prove anything ... How come USSR maintained a super power status for 50 years ... aka ... more than your age till now ... w/o your liberty and other arguments ....
And why is the world regarding China as an emerging superpower ..... ??? ...
You may want to live in your intoxicated world of utopia , but hey who s talking utopia or perfect world here .Maybe you are but then do not confuse it with the term super power t .... check your definitions and if you need help .. google ... I took exception to the fact that you have been ranting that no one has or can become a super power w/o all the goodness needed ... as imagined by you ... which is simply un true , unaware and WRONG - Simply google for super power , China & USSR ....
Don't be over conclusive - you have not been able to prove anything except of course prove your lack of definitions , happenings of the world and speculation based reasoning !!
So you will be starting a Tienanmen awareness too , after 20 years ... Good Luck with that as well , for other wise it is history for China as the world sees it .... but hey you don't agree with the world ... living in ur own imaginary cocoon ....
Reread Portia's post again and try to drill some horse sense into yourself , though I doubt anything will go in there .... but still make an effort who knows !!!
No frustration at all, in fact it is quite humorous. Through all the drivel you have posted (while clearly pushing the boundaries of your vocabulary), the only thing I can surmise is that your hypothesis is the internal functioning of a country has no bearing on its "superpower" status, or ability to lead the world. While this is laughable in and of itself, what is truly hilarious is you keep using USSR as an example - a country that has long collapsed. On the web, it takes no time to research and determine that the USSR collapsed because of internal conditions, thus proving your main theory completely wrong. But you hang on to it for everyone to see, this is the humorous part.
I guess you must have realized this and so now with no leg to stand on, you keep pointing to Portia's post to somehow add credibility to your irrelevance. Textbook amateur strategy!
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Originally posted by sant
I think the original issue was about india, where did Russia and China come from ?
No on knows. Somehow this guy is hung up on the definition of a superpower that no one on the thread really cares about. Interesting sideshow though to exhibit his brilliance...
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Originally posted by febpreet
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Originally posted by meghal
When will the leaders learn about putting country's interest of the party's? :-(
In India's case, never. That's what is ailing India for now and the times to come. Those that think otherwise are living in a fool's paradise.
Agreed. What I'll add though is it is a two-dimensional problem. Politicians basically represent the psyche of the population since they are a product of the same. We basically get what we deserve. The change required in India will never be initiated by politicians (or so called leaders), it will have to come from the public as a grassroots effort. Pretty lofty to ask politicians (that are the same breed worldwide) to put country first when most people voting them to power don't.
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