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Posted on: 01-06-12 15:43:43
Here's a simple enough explanation for you to understand on why the USSR collapsed. It has EVERYTHING to do with the internal dissatisfaction unlike your theory
http://answers.yourdictionary.com/history/why-did-the-soviet-union-collapse.html
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The worst part of the current scenario in my opinion is absence of a leader who has the courage to take unpopular steps. The most frustrating news these days is the infighting in BJP. This is the time for BJP to capitalise on Congress's unpopularity. Instead, you have a 80+ old year leader who behaves like a kid. Then, there is the Keshubhai lobby interested in overthrow Modi.
When will the leaders learn about putting country's interest of the party's? :-(
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When will the leaders learn about putting country's interest of the party's? :-(
In India's case, never. That's what is ailing India for now and the times to come. Those that think otherwise are living in a fool's paradise.
Dude - get your arguments straight ... the point of argument is not why the USSR collapsed as it was economic and political ... already mentioned in my posts ...
BUT .... how did it reach & remain to be super power for 50 years and chart the course of the world for 50 years ????? Try answering that .....
Your definition of SUPERPOWER is all messed up I m sorry to say .......... Please refer to my excerpt on last page as to whether USSR was a super power or not for 50 years ...
..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower ...
The same article also mentions China as reaching a super power status and India as a potential one ...... Google for the word super power and the first page will take you there
The difference between China & the USSR is that China does not lack the economic shortcomings USSR had ..... so again your trying to hollow prove what China is not a superpower in emergence & will follow USSR is at best a speculation bereft on any basis .....
You have maintained that a country which cannot have liberty and blah blah cannot be a super power and right from the 1st post I have maintained that the same has happened in the past and is happening again ...... so your theory is highly faulty .... with reference to what the word 'super power' means & how can it be reached ...
China is an emerging superpower as much as both India and China are major economic growth spear headers in the world ......Thats what the world says , thats what users on this forum have said but sadly in your quest to argue , you refuse to read this... One can only get a horse to water , not make it drink it ....
Enjoy the weekend ...
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Fido.
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The resource advantage that China has is mainly cheap labour (and centralized power) and as a result of their cheap labour a lot of specialized manufacturing facilities have developed there. I definitely think China will be a superpower. However, I'd rather be in the position of the average American citizen rather than the average Chinese citizen and I don't think that will change in the near future.
I think what you're discounting is that the cheap labor is a function of the structure in that country. With economic growth and prosperity, it is not possible to sustain this because the same folks working for a dollar an hour will demand a lot more. It is only a matter of time before this happens in China, no matter how much they try to subdue it. And when it does, there goes the cheap labor and competitive advantage with it. You're also discounting that demand for Chinese goods will drop dramatically if the US and Europe continue on the same downward path.
You're free to think this is the long term sustainable way to go. I don't. The forces of balance will kick in like they always have in history.
Could not resist responding to this one :
a. So people will ask for more money as economy grows -- per your point , well if that happens it shall raise their standard of living ... and gradually the demand & supply will continue till their wages and the wages of the importing nations equate .... which will again bring the 2 countries @ the same level ...... say US & China in that case ...
If I was to rebut your speculation , I would wish to point out that US / Europe does not possess the same population employment advantage that China or India have - nor the same population growth .... so what you are thinking is best speculation ..... labor will always be cheaper in India & China and as long as they have that advantage , their economies will grow .....
Thanks for acknowledging that US and Europe will continue on their downward path ( as much as China & India will continue on its upper path ) ---- and a point will come where both shall meet ... bringing them all at the same status ...
BTW , do you remember Tienanmen square ............. well thats what China is ... and given the growth China has made , Tienanmen square and its proponents are history now ... so there goes your asking for wages and being given argument ....
I once again agree with Portia's post 100%.
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Fido.
"Dude" - the main point you've been harping on all along is a country's internal structure and functioning has nothing to do with superpower status. And then using Soviet union as an example, a country that collapsed from superpower status because of internal problems (I pointed you to a simple enough link you could understand on this). Now that your point has been proven wrong, you're back harping on about stuff that makes no sense.
You keep talking about the technical definition of a superpower. I'm talking about sustained progress and world influence, which are WAY more valuable. You're happy with superpower "status" that lasts for 50 years and collapses, I'm hoping for an India that sustains its progress through centuries, whether people like you consider it a superpower or not. So you can go on ranting about the Wikipedia link on superpower definition, practically it means nothing if the people in a country are not happy.
"Liberty and blah blah"?? heheh. Like someone said, the hypocrisy is epic for someone who's moved to Canada himself, just shows the sorry state of confusion. Why don't you go live in the rising superpower China if its "liberty and blah blah" to you? :-)
You obviously have no sense of history so it is pointless trying to explain to you that Tienanmen square is not history and finished like you think in your "liberty and blah blah" comprehension of the world.
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Originally posted by Fido
Could not resist responding to this one :
a. So people will ask for more money as economy grows -- per your point , well if that happens it shall raise their standard of living ... and gradually the demand & supply will continue till their wages and the wages of the importing nations equate .... which will again bring the 2 countries @ the same level ...... say US & China in that case ...
If I was to rebut your speculation , I would wish to point out that US / Europe does not possess the same population employment advantage that China or India have - nor the same population growth .... so what you are thinking is best speculation ..... labor will always be cheaper in India & China and as long as they have that advantage , their economies will grow .....
Thanks for acknowledging that US and Europe will continue on their downward path ( as much as China & India will continue on its upper path ) ---- and a point will come where both shall meet ... bringing them all at the same status ...
BTW , do you remember Tienanmen square ............. well thats what China is ... and given the growth China has made , Tienanmen square and its proponents are history now ... so there goes your asking for wages and being given argument ....
I once again agree with Portia's post 100%.
You seem to think of population as a square benefit with no downsides. Maybe you can expand your thought process to consider that in a resource crunched world, population is only a partial benefit, the downside risk is enormous. You can see that playing out in India today with the power/water shortages (if you open your eyes, i.e.) and it will continue to get worse.
Also, your poor comprehension didn't allow you to view the "if" in my statement, so you understood it to me acknowledging US and Europe continue to go down and India/China continue to go up. This is a fool's dream, not gonna happen. And I showed the co-relation why but you can't grasp it.
It is hard to understand the complexities of balance with the simplistic thinking you are applying. I'm glad you're trying though.
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