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Orginally posted by rajand
Blue Lobster,
Since you mentioned "Mangal Bazaar", are you from Baroda?
Just asking for curiosity.
Nice catch, but I guess only a fellow Barodian would know.
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Regarding the points raised for street fights, here too people are afraid of coming forward for giving witness or registering complaint. Here in Calgary, this year there have been so many killings in gang wars & yet nobody has been arrested.
For the common man though, yeah your point is valid.
My point is here you can at least go an register a complaint. You can fight big corporations and win, you can sue gundas and win. Its not all hunky dory here too, there are problems, but the legal situation in India is hopeless.
Russell Crowe hits a guy in a hotel with a phone, he's in trouble. He's being tried and may lose his U.S. work visa. Salman Khan kills people with his SUV. He's still livin' la vida loca, does anyone think something is going to happen to him? Its a joke.
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Orginally posted by LD
I thought that any one, sitting either in Ontario, New Delhi or elsewhere, could achieve a balanced perspective on prevailing state of affairs.
One of the purposes of discussion forum is to share different viewpoints.
Therefore, I somehow fail to see hypocrisy in any of the posts above.
Dear LD,
I agree that anyone sitting anywhere can achieve a balanced perspective but for gaining that "balance" one needs to have clarity on both the perspectives and know the ground reality (rather that depending on just statistical reports). U can probably see Chandresh's report and have some idea and can probably add some more to it.
As far as hypocriscy is concerned, I did not know BV's history (and assumed that he was a recent immigrant - apologies). However, we have seen many threads where people have immigrated and then posted the "please do not immigrate or why not to immigrate" stuff. How can one do something and then advocate others not to do it? Sure they can share their struggles, hardships and experiences ( we do gain a lot from them) but these "why immigrate at all" or "remain in India" statements do strongly influence the decision of "prospective immigrants" without giving them a fair chance of evaluating things for themselves.
Dear BV,
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Orginally posted by Bee Vee
In light of this macro-economic facts, why would you want to leave India to come to Canada, US or anywhere else? More importantly, why would you leave a decent job, and forsake a decent lifestyle to come to Canada?
First of all apologies for making assumptions.
Macro-economic facts and indicators can be grossly misleading. A huge economy with resources divided over a 1 billion population leaves a wide gap between "the haves" and "the have nots". These facts look great on paper and statistical tables but the ground reality is that how much of these "booming economy" benefits reach the remote villages or even percolate down to the urban poor. We can all wish that India becomes an economic superpower but would there ever be 24 hours water and power supply, basic literacy for everyone, good roads and an infrastructure which can lead to a better lifestyle for people at large. The answer to most of these wud be "no" even in 2050 !!
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Orginally posted by Rajrani
First of all apologies for making assumptions.
Macro-economic facts and indicators can be grossly misleading. A huge economy with resources divided over a 1 billion population leaves a wide gap between \"the haves\" and \"the have nots\". These facts look great on paper and statistical tables but the ground reality is that how much of these \"booming economy\" benefits reach the remote villages or even percolate down to the urban poor. We can all wish that India becomes an economic superpower but would there ever be 24 hours water and power supply, basic literacy for everyone, good roads and an infrastructure which can lead to a better lifestyle for people at large. The answer to most of these wud be \"no\" even in 2050 !!
Rajrani,
No worries. Apology is not required.
I have actually lived in Chandigargh and did part of an academic year in DAV college. Those from that area will know that this college was named after Chandigargh's famous cricket son - Kapil Dev.
I relate to the lists produced here on why people immigrated here. That is in the past or the present. Our discussion is regarding the future. It does take some time to change attitudes in a country with the history and deep culture that is India, but they do change. Anybody who has been out of the country for a few years and goes back will attest to that. Changes are happening everyday and at a faster pace.
Here is another point to mull over. In the Globe and Mail (finance section inside the business section) is an article which discusses how the high taxes here are hindering Canada's ability to compete against who but India and China. One of the issues in the last US elections - outsourcing and job losses to India.
BV
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Orginally posted by Big Vee
Rajrani,
No worries. Apology is not required.
I have actually lived in Chandigargh and did part of an academic year in DAV college. Those from that area will know that this college was named after Chandigargh's famous cricket son - Kapil Dev.
I relate to the lists produced here on why people immigrated here. That is in the past or the present. Our discussion is regarding the future. It does take some time to change attitudes in a country with the history and deep culture that is India, but they do change. Anybody who has been out of the country for a few years and goes back will attest to that. Changes are happening everyday and at a faster pace.
Here is another point to mull over. In the Globe and Mail (finance section inside the business section) is an article which discusses how the high taxes here are hindering Canada's ability to compete against who but India and China. One of the issues in the last US elections - outsourcing and job losses to India.
BV
Dear BV,
The changes that many see when they return to India r most likely to be the flyovers, the high rise apartments, or the malls and cineplexes (which is highly superficial b'cos it caters to only a miniscule % of the total population) but what about the cows on the roads, beggars pestering u at the intersections, slum clusters which are potential votebanks - that is the ground reality which might not change even after decades.
As far as outsourcing is concerned - I don't think an economic indicator of a country can be judged by a few thousand jobs which shift from one country to another. I can't imagine India becoming a superpower by getting "subcontracted" jobs from Canada and U.S. The ground reality is the quality of the jobs being outsourced. Would Canada and U.S. trust us with manufacturing, construction, research and development...... ?? India is getting these low profile jobs (mostly call centre) only b'cos of the arbitrage factor of low cost skilled labor. This advantage is also slowly diminishing - yesterday it was outsourcing, today it is offsourcing (case in point wud be GE and British Airways setting up their offices for catering to their international call centre requirements and paying higher salaries than the Indian subcontractor) and tomorrow even that model might change. With each change the salaries of these employees r bound to increase.
And some food for thought for u too - macro econmic indicators such as stock indices (BSE, NSE) in India have been skyrocketing, currently at 8500 +. The bull run just doesn't seem to seize while half of the country is facing the worst ever floods and the remaining is under drought !! And in this seemingly "euphoric situation" (of the index) the Finance Minister has ordered an enquiry by multiple investigative agencies to get to the root of this "superficial high" !! This shows that the econonmy has been hijacked by a "handful few". And when will the attitude of these handful change - is a big question mark.
I guess thats enough for the day... bye
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Orginally posted by rajand
Blue Lobster,
Since you mentioned "Mangal Bazaar", are you from Baroda?
Just asking for curiosity.
Nice catch, but I guess only a fellow Barodian would know.
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its really nice to read mature views from some of the desi's here ....person like me kept on waiting since years that a day will definately come when everything here will be disiciplined....i thought we may learn lessons from japanese,koreans by working hard ie; 18 hrs a day not for ourselves but for the country...but the corruption never actually allow us to do that here.....indisciplin is the biggest factor here...which can be seen everywhere......well nothing more to write.....for those who wants to keep their hope alive then they may keep hoping...but my wait ends here now...and im waiting for my immigration...i am ready to do anything in canada... in corruption free environment....dignity of labour is there.....at least my kid will have a better and secured life there....desi's who talk negative of immigraton from canada are the real hypoctrits....choice is simple..return back; after all this is their country and no one can stop them...why keep on cribbning from canada.....my funda is jis thaali mein khao usmein ched mat karo....whether in india or in canada....dont discourage others who have invested money and time.....my neice is toronto....migrated from dubai....recently....happy and secured there.
originally posted by rajand:
Chandresh,
The reasons that you have mentioned for shifting to a developed country are what made me & so many others migrate to Canada. Although I may not agree with all.
Rajan I am afraid chandresh will sharply react to it.
