Why even immigrate to Canada or anywhere else for the matter
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I thought that any one, sitting either in Ontario, New Delhi or elsewhere, could achieve a balanced perspective on prevailing state of affairs.
One of the purposes of discussion forum is to share different viewpoints.
Therefore, I somehow fail to see hypocrisy in any of the posts above.
Some of the reasons I left India to live in a developed country are:
1. First and foremost, you have constant supply of electricity and water, and blackouts are rare. You do not have to wake up early in the morning to fill up your buckets, tubs, tankees or take a shower. Similarly, you do not have to sweat in heat or live under candlelight in summers, or be disturbed by the noise and smoke of mini generators.
2. No visible pollution! You breathe better and your shirt collar does not become black by lunchtime. Infact, you can wear one set of clothes for 2-3 days without feeling bad.
3. The roads you travel on are good, infact great and you do not have to be on constant alert that someone might just decide to jump in front of you. In India, you might be driving a Honda or Lancer or Merc, but you have to drive on road full of pits, speed breakers and various sorts of vehicles. Here a motorcycle has right to the same space as a car, and it is illegal to overtake a mobike in the same lane.
4. The buses you commute on are cleaner, air-conditioned and the driver many a times greets you. For disabled persons, the bus lowers down, puts out a ramp on which you can place the wheelchair and lifts it back to sitting level. So a wheelchair bound person can easily commute on most of the routes without any help.
5. The roads have sidewalks, so people wanting to walk can do so without worrying for traffic. Similarly, a pedestrian's right of way is given due regard. You do not have to dash to the other side of the road to avoid a car hitting you on pedestrians crossing.
6. Govt offices - the ultimate sunvayi might be better or worse than India - but you get to wait in a nice and clean office mostly. And rarely would you find any sarkari mulajim talking to you as if he owned the place and did not have enough sleep at home (exceptions can be there but rare!)
7. The roads and sidewalks are clean mostly without any garbage on the road. If garbage is there, it is mostly packed in big plastic bags and kept there to be picked up by the municipality truck, sooner rather than later.
8. There are fines for traffic violations and applied too. If it is green light, you can safely speed up, without worrying that another vehicle might come from your right or left beating the red light (sometimes that happens, but unlike India, you do not have to be on the lookout for that!)
9. Coming from Gandhi's land, we actually do what he preached, here in Canada. We do our own dishes, we vacuum our floors and we also clean our toilets ourselves. For those who are idealistic about society and human rights, this has great meaning.
10. We do not work or live in buildings that are smothered with paan ki peek and other types of body wastes lying on floor which are so common in India. Nor do we come across graffiti on staircases/elevators in the office or residential buildings (exceptions are there), or on boundary walls (Prof Arora - rishte hi rishte ).
11. Eve-teasing in public is absent or rare, I hear there is, though I have not seen it. Buses are safe from that point of view.
12. Weather - that is the greatest thing. Summers are absolutely great with everything so lush green, the fields look like thick green carpet and flowers look extremely beautiful. Fall / Autumn is amazingly colourful, it seems some painter has actually painted the trees with wonderful imagination. Winters are harsh, but the snowfall is wonderful to watch and great for children to play. In Delhi, a +1 temperature might be killing with no proper heating but here one can easily survive in minus30 degrees with proper clothing, and enjoy the snow too. Spring really brings the springs live in you. The temperatures are great and you feel so energetic.
13. For an Indian, all kinds of Indian food is available and at most of the places, in a cleaner surrounding and with better ingredients than in India, because of strict laws. Vegetarians need not fear - unlike many other places on the globe where finding vegetarian food is like looking for a needle in bundle of hay, all kinds of veggie food is available and in abundance.
14. I have never seen my phone line go dead even when they were laying new pipelines/cables in the surrounding areas.
15. And yes, living in a developed country I can enjoy more material luxuries than I could in India with similar jobs and positions in the organisation. I also have the affordability to travel to different countries which was not easy for me in India.
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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Location: Canada-Glorious and Free
Posted on: 21-09-05 08:58:42
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Orginally posted by Rajrani
Big Vee,
What was the point of starting this thread ? This \"why immigrate\" thing wud have made sense had u been in India and were successful. Sitting in Ontario and then making this comment shows \"hypocrisy at its best\".
Rajrani
It may seem hypocritical but can you go beyond that and look at the points made. I made it a point to include China, US and Europe in my discussion so as not make this a Canada vs India debate. This not about personal loyalty. The discussion is macro-economic as you can see.
Now, for those who cannot let go of the cynicism, let me say that I am 4 generations removed from India. I have lived in Canada over half my life. My kids were born here. For me, moving to India or China (for that matter) is not even an option. And hence the title of this thread - Why move FROM India to ..... ? Not the other way.
BV
Agreeing with Chandresh ka analysis:
Lakin apla prime reason for bidding adios to India was to seeing duniya.
Jab HK mein tha, got chance to have dekko at S'pore, Thailand and famous sandwich massage and no hand restaurants and world's bada mein bada restaurant where waitresses serve on skates, Taiwan, Japan.
Also being witness to historic occasion of handing over of HK to China on July 1, 1997.
Also then moving to NYC looking Rockefeller Centre, Madison Square Garden, HYSE, Nasdaq, 42nd street and seeing Las Vegas, Atlantic City, New Orleans Mardi Gras festival- Goa festival is andaa comparison mein-Disneyland, Chicago, Grand Canyon ad ..... Sala kambult India mein rehkar, apla Taj Mahal na dekh paya. Jab phoren se lauta, Grand Canyon dekhne ke baad, tab gaya Taj Mahal dekhne.Also Mexico going.
Also then moving Canada, seeing Niagara Falls, and plenty many things.
No regrets leaving India. Bahut saarein mere dost India mein 'eat heart out' karte hain jab mein unko all experiences telling.
Aur Canada mein, mein dekh sakta hoon now, that the elusive 3 digit per hour salary jo sab log in my office tolding, is within reach. 6 figure per year considering andaa, now 3 figure per hour. Apla comic recreational job mein to ho gaya hai lakin now looking for fulltime job with 3 figure salary per 'ghantaa'.
Log to joke bhi karte hain, that 'ghantaa' I am getting 3 figure per ghantaa job. Lakin one never knows.
Apun to tolding everybody, unless he is having more than 10 lakh salary in apla hometown to push off. Aur mujhe batao kitne log ko dus lakh ka salary hain India mein? Hain definitely, lakin ekdum small percentage.
Yeh apla opinion hain. Apun to knowing that many people with less in India being satisfied.
BTW, no hands restaurant Bangkok mein meaning, you go to restaurant and pick any one girls to feed you and ordering food and girls feeding you and making you order drinks, so making you need to go for nature's call. Then coming inside washroom with you and taking chopsticks and holding 'thing' with chopstix, no hands, for you while you doing urination. Ekdum novel sexperience. Sandwich massage to everybody knowing. Two girls body massage, one girls in front and other girls in back and you in middle like sandwich. Ekdum also naya sexperience.
Chal, maybe big brother cabal editing last para- who knows? I am not grokking some of things they doing and not doing.
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hinglish zindabad
I assume you know 'English' since to have a job in Canada.
Could you please translate??
Funny at first, but getting old now. Move on....
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Orginally posted by Big Vee
Now, for those who cannot let go of the cynicism, let me say that I am 4 generations removed from India.
BV, have you ever lived in India? Granted there's a lot of progress and the economy is booming, but the ground reality is quite different that what's projected in that shiny brochure by Infosys (just like it is for Canada).
Chandresh has covered a lot of ground on why he's moved, some very valid points there. I can add one more.
Say your kid gets into a fight with a politician's kid in India. And gets beat up by the brat and his gundas. Can you do anything? Which police station are you going to go to register a complaint? You think you have any legal recourse?
OR
You come up with a brilliant idea one day (like Dr. Ho did). As soon as you release your product, cheap knockoffs will be available in "Mangal Bazaar" within a few days. Who're you going to sue?
The legal infrstracture in India is utterly hopeless, there are no avenues for a common man to fight injustice effectively. So all you can do is keep your fingers crossed and hope that the bad stuff does not happen to you or your family. Either that or bulk up yourself and go in for some old fashioned "street justice". Don't expect much from the law.
Given all then numbers, there's no doubt that India is a very viable option today to immigration, much more so than before. However there's miles to go before eliminating all the reasons for people leaving, if that'll ever happen. You can afford to buy a Ferrari now, but where are you gonig to drive it?
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Are you there?
Blue Lobster,
Since you mentioned "Mangal Bazaar", are you from Baroda?
Just asking for curiosity.
Regarding the points raised for street fights, here too people are afraid of coming forward for giving witness or registering complaint. Here in Calgary, this year there have been so many killings in gang wars & yet nobody has been arrested.
For the common man though, yeah your point is valid.
Rgds.
Rajan.
Chandresh,
The reasons that you have mentioned for shifting to a developed country are what made me & so many others migrate to Canada. Although I may not agree with all.
Major reason why I don't like Canada is the availability of jobs in your field (or rather the lack of it) & lack of recognition of experience. If you don't earn enough to enjoy basic joys of life, then what's the point?
With the economic opportunities opening up in India & affordability for material items going up, I see not much advantage . Ofcourse, this is my personal opinion. Your points you have very clearly put forward in this post & some of your earlier clarifications & posts.
As you have rightly said, with similar jobs & positions one can enjoy more material luxuries & visit different countries. "Similar jobs & positions" is the important thing. Even without similar jobs & positions, I can see many people enjoying. It depends on an individual how much he is able to adjust.
Was very happy with your initiative in teaching the Desis on foreign exchange.
Thanks & regards.
Rajan.
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