Sehawag, Bhajji, Munaf out of tour


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-07 16:07:21

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Originally posted by Maharaj

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Originally posted by puttooAge should not be a bar ..... but then at 72 !!!!! that is no age to go as a manager........ of all the people associated with India cricket .... is thta the best they could do

Would like to know who in your opinion (in inda) has shown "natural athletism".... in any sports for that matter.


I am not talking about Manager.

Natural Athlete in India ... Out of what I have seen, some names comes out without much of a thought-
Kapil
Azhar
Jadeja
Kaif
Raina
Robin Singh
Karthik
Yuvraj
Leander
Dhanraj
Two players in Hockey - its funny, I can see the face but can't recall the names.

I am sure, I am missing some names here. Its just my way of looking at it.




from your list of natural athletes playing there are two in the present cricket team. Though i must add .... dropping kaif from indian squad is a big blunder and he should have been in the team..... Leander & dhanraj are past their prime .....kapil , azhar, jadeja, robin are all past their prime ... i was expecting some names of players who you think should have been in indian cricket team because they were good & were natural athletes... your list does not have single name ....... this is the problem with indian cricket .... we want the "young"player ..... wanna know where they are ... we have tried the rainas & vrv's .... but they dont deliver ... youngsters who have shown they are capable of something are there in the team ... robin, dinesh , dhoni ..... they have proved their capabilities and are in team...... This time also they have given chance to couple of youngsters ... let us see how they perform.



Garvo Gujarati   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-07 16:23:27


I think we are talking about cricket and not athletics!!

One has to be a good cricketer. Kaif deserves not to be in the team. Enough chances. Just look at his records.


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Maharaj   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-06-07 13:19:29

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Originally posted by puttoo
... Leander & dhanraj are past their prime .....kapil , azhar, jadeja, robin are all past their prime ... i was expecting some names of players who you think should have been in indian cricket team because they were good & were natural athletes...


your Question was Would like to know who in your opinion (in inda) has shown "natural athletism".... in any sports for that matter. & hence I listed past & present.

All are/were good in their respective games but I think they worked a lil extra hard to stay fit & injury free.

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Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati
I think we are talking about cricket and not athletics!!
One has to be a good cricketer. Kaif deserves not to be in the team. Enough chances. Just look at his records.


Cricketer is an Athlete too. He has to be Fit, Agile & Physically Strong.

Kaif should be in the Team if not in playing 11 then surely as a 12th Man. Selection Team has never played smart in choosing 12th Man.

If we have Likes Kaif, Raina, Yuvraj, Karthik ... Team can successfully defend Low Scoring Games. Two teams came home unceremoniously from World Cup. Striking similarity between them – both highly talented in Cricket but not swift movers in field. Hmmm …

Yes, Cricket is still a game of Bat & Ball. But to win Matches consistently you need good bowlers & very good fielders. Batsman can't win you matches consistently – just because he has only once chance at the crease. One mistake from him or umpire & he is out of the game.

PS: On Indian Cricket every Tom, Dick & Harry has an Opinion – so do I. :cool:



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desi in ottawa   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-06-07 15:15:38

Forget opinions. Look at the facts. Gregg Chapell himself rated Raina as one of the good players who would have a great future. And see where he is. May be the future has not come yet. When the four (Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman) are in the test side, where is the chance for another middle order bat? Agarkar has been given more number of chances than anyone else.

DIO



puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-06-07 16:45:44

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Originally posted by desi in ottawa

Forget opinions. Look at the facts. Gregg Chapell himself rated Raina as one of the good players who would have a great future. And see where he is. May be the future has not come yet. When the four (Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman) are in the test side, where is the chance for another middle order bat? Agarkar has been given more number of chances than anyone else.

DIO



Just because Greg Chapell says Raina is a good player does not make him one .... he has to perform to stay in team and his performace in SA was not upto expectations ... at the same time Dinesh Kartik has performed & he finds a place in the team ....... again Robin utthapa is another player who has shown promise & is included in the team...... a player stays in the team based on performance ..... of course there will always be a few names which are going to raise eyebrows .....this is not something happening only in India ... happens in most of the teams world over....... including Australia.



desi in ottawa   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 16-06-07 09:13:08

IMO, Raina was not given enough opportunity as compared to Agarkar and Dinesh Mongia. In fact Mongia hardly played cricket in India. Scoring runs against B'desh is a different story as against SA or the Aussies. Let's see what Uthappa will do against English bowlers.

DIO



desi in ottawa   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-06-07 07:11:25

From cricinfo.com

"In addition to match fees and a cut in the BCCI's profit, the BCCI gives an annual retainer of Rs 50 lakhs to Grade A players, Rs 35 lakhs to those in Grade B and Rs 20 lakhs for those in the final category. "

Grade A: Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Anil Kumble, Yuvraj Singh, Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

Grade B: VVS Laxman, Harbhajan Singh, Virender Sehwag, Irfan Pathan, Ajit Agarkar.

Grade C: Gautam Gambhir, Wasim Jaffer, S. Sreesanth, Zaheer Khan, Suresh Raina and Munaf Patel.



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