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Originally posted by morning_rain
Hi There
I too am sikh by birth and was raised by my parents in the Sikh faith. Today I dont consider myself a proper sikh or really care about religion..but thats another topic.
I too am almost embarrased to be known as a sikh here.
I do agree with you about the double shifts and overcompensating children. Part of it could be need to absolve themselves of guilt for neglecting their children because they have to work (which many get around by sending the kids back home to be raised by grandparents).. or what about prestige in society (look at our big house and the cars.).. genuinely being confused about gender equality and how society is changing (I mean if you are stuck in a job 18 hours a day..do you have time to care about society's evolution?)
However I also think there is an element of control. Indo canadian parents seem to overcontrol children and see them as property..not separate people. These kids in turn grow up to learn that control is the only way to deal with problems.. u must come out 'on top' all the time.
Is it rocket science to figure out that if you over protect ur children they will never learn to stand on their own feet? If you provide them with so much materially that they come to expect it..and will do anything.. or the opposite when they feel neglected and are attracted to the gang cultures?
I dont know.
I totally agree with you when you say Indo-Canadians think of their kids as property instead of individuals. Whatever may be the reason, it totally reflects double standards in our society.
Gender based inequality is another issue with the people of Indian origin here, specially our own kinds. I know families who would care less if the son comes home drunk in the wee hours, but would defenitely impose a curfew on the girl child.
As I said before, education of the family plays an important role here, but the worst comes when the new generation starts following the footsteps of their parents (in a wrong way).
I was watching a documentry the other day and was shocked to know that the RCMP has a seperate task force to 'handle' the Indo-Canadian gangs. The shock came as in when I realized how bad the situation has gotten. I googled the name of a very popular Indo-Canadian gangster from Vancouver (whos dead now) and found N number of forums where the young desi kids had paragraphs full of praise for him, discussing his bravery and debating his worthiness as the best gangster ever.
Might sound too blunt but I would hate to raise my kids in Brampton or Surrey.
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Posted on: 25-07-07 23:24:07
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 25-07-07 23:24:07
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Originally posted by clandestinely
Might sound too blunt but I would hate to raise my kids in Brampton or Surrey.
Kids can be messed up anywhere it really depends on the parents. having said that, I know what u mean.
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Originally posted by morning_rain
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Originally posted by clandestinely
Might sound too blunt but I would hate to raise my kids in Brampton or Surrey.
Kids can be messed up anywhere it really depends on the parents. having said that, I know what u mean.
Very true. But the peers play a very important role as well.
Friends, I just felt like sharing especially with Morning rain,
I'm a Hindu Punjabi born and bought up on Guru Nanak's teachings. I love every single word Babaji wrote...beautiful shabads. We are PR'c currently out of Canada but were very enthusiastic to visit a Gurudwara in Toronto. On net search we came across one "Guru Ram das ashram" actually a yoga center run by a Sikh family. The link is below
http://www.gurufathasingh.com/coming.php
We visited them on a Sunday and I loved being in there. It’s not a conventional Gurudwara; there were hardly 6-7 people in there out of which 3 were foreigners. All the ardaas, prayers, shabad were in English. I think the Granth sahib was also in English. I found the place very spiritual and peaceful and not the one by rules. The family was modern in Sikh thinking and nothing at all what this discussion relates Sikhism too. It’s purely my opinion based on the one hr we spent there. I’ll suggest a visit there…by anyone who’ll be interested. They gave my twins (3 yrs) colors and coloring sheets to sit peacefully, I really appreciated the thought and the gesture which allowed us (parents) to sit and enjoy few moments at God’s house. I personally don’t know what or how exactly it is in Canada (in other places) but this one was a very good experience.
Jona
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Originally posted by jonav
Friends, I just felt like sharing especially with Morning rain,
I'm a Hindu Punjabi born and bought up on Guru Nanak's teachings. I love every single word Babaji wrote...beautiful shabads. We are PR'c currently out of Canada but were very enthusiastic to visit a Gurudwara in Toronto. On net search we came across one "Guru Ram das ashram" actually a yoga center run by a Sikh family. The link is below
http://www.gurufathasingh.com/coming.php
We visited them on a Sunday and I loved being in there. It’s not a conventional Gurudwara; there were hardly 6-7 people in there out of which 3 were foreigners. All the ardaas, prayers, shabad were in English. I think the Granth sahib was also in English. I found the place very spiritual and peaceful and not the one by rules. The family was modern in Sikh thinking and nothing at all what this discussion relates Sikhism too. It’s purely my opinion based on the one hr we spent there. I’ll suggest a visit there…by anyone who’ll be interested. They gave my twins (3 yrs) colors and coloring sheets to sit peacefully, I really appreciated the thought and the gesture which allowed us (parents) to sit and enjoy few moments at God’s house. I personally don’t know what or how exactly it is in Canada (in other places) but this one was a very good experience.
Jona
Hi there,
Followed the link, looks like a nice place. I will make it a point to visit it as soon as I get a chance.
I personally do not visit any gurudwaras here in Brampton/Mississauga area because of their affiliation to the Khalistan movement. The last thing I want to see in a place of worship is the pictures of terrorists hanging on the walls addressing them as martyrs.
Sometimes I wonder...these people still call them Indians and blabber about so called Indian values and still want a seperate homeland.
C!
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Originally posted by clandestinely
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Originally posted by jonav
Friends, I just felt like sharing especially with Morning rain,
I'm a Hindu Punjabi born and bought up on Guru Nanak's teachings. I love every single word Babaji wrote...beautiful shabads. We are PR'c currently out of Canada but were very enthusiastic to visit a Gurudwara in Toronto. On net search we came across one "Guru Ram das ashram" actually a yoga center run by a Sikh family. The link is below
http://www.gurufathasingh.com/coming.php
We visited them on a Sunday and I loved being in there. It’s not a conventional Gurudwara; there were hardly 6-7 people in there out of which 3 were foreigners. All the ardaas, prayers, shabad were in English. I think the Granth sahib was also in English. I found the place very spiritual and peaceful and not the one by rules. The family was modern in Sikh thinking and nothing at all what this discussion relates Sikhism too. It’s purely my opinion based on the one hr we spent there. I’ll suggest a visit there…by anyone who’ll be interested. They gave my twins (3 yrs) colors and coloring sheets to sit peacefully, I really appreciated the thought and the gesture which allowed us (parents) to sit and enjoy few moments at God’s house. I personally don’t know what or how exactly it is in Canada (in other places) but this one was a very good experience.
Jona
Hi there,
Followed the link, looks like a nice place. I will make it a point to visit it as soon as I get a chance.
I personally do not visit any gurudwaras here in Brampton/Mississauga area because of their affiliation to the Khalistan movement. The last thing I want to see in a place of worship is the pictures of terrorists hanging on the walls addressing them as martyrs.
Sometimes I wonder...these people still call them Indians and blabber about so called Indian values and still want a seperate homeland.
C!
I agree with you. Yes, it's unfortunate. When I first landed in Toronto and visited Dixie Rd Gurdwara (I am a sikh), I felt pain to see all those pictures of terrorists hanging on the walls, and right beside the 'Paalki Sahib' were the words 'Sikh Homeland Khalistan'. Upon seeing the said words, I could only think of Jesus Christ's words 'Please forgive them, as they don't know what they are doing'.
For God's sake, leave that holy place out of your dirty politics. I still go to the Gurdwarey per my routine often, but never look at those specific walls. What a shameless propoganda is going on here in Canada - that too in holy places.
