BlueLobster   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 08:23:37

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BL ~ you have done an excellent research which still (after 17 pages) appears to be beating around the bush and still does not answer the basic points I have raised over and over again .




huh??

Who's skirting around the issue here? I asked you a SIMPLE question. Instead you post a long rant that means absolutely nothing.


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BlueLobster   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 08:35:14

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it also depends on what you who you want to listen to ... some mickey mouse blogger or the PM of your country http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/PM_hails_Sunita_Williams_as_role_model_for_women_kids/rssarticleshow/2388944.cms




:). Apparently anyone who agrees with him.

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These shameless morons are just crashing the American party, promoted by the Indian media which has long taken leave of its senses.



Since you went out of your way to post this quote, I guess you as well consider the PM, Rakesh Sharma who met with her, scientists who listened to her, sunita's extended family in Gujarat, little kids who had a twinkle in their eye hearing her speak, young girls who may have drawn inspiration from her....everyone a "shameless moron" right?

I guess narrow-mindedness can only be bested by more narrow-mindedness. As well, an acute lack of abstract thinking may also hold back some from realizing that people who get the extremely rare chance of seeing our living breathing planet from outside of itself never quite look at borders the same way again.


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BlueLobster   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 08:42:14

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Originally posted by cdn_dude

--- I would say that she acknowledged her (mixed) ethnicity.




Yeah, we'll have to disagree on that one. If she was sitting on her couch sippin' a diet coke and making a passing comment like "Yeah, I do think I have some Indian blood in me" OR if she showed up at a US university to make a quick speech in which she brought up her Indian heritage, my comment would be the same as yours above.

Visiting her father's hometown in India, places like sabarmati ashram, giving a speech at IAC etc etc is a little bit more than just "acknowledging your mixed ethnicity", dare I say?

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BTW, I do not want you to rephrase your sentence with a different word (like acknowledge or something like that) :) . You expressed your views and I expressed mine.

Cheers!



And very cordially at that. :) This one here we completely agree on.




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Fido   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 08:55:09

If you ask , its questions , if I ask it is meaningless rant :(

Looking at your qs -

Sunita Williams is an AMERICAN female astronaut who has achieved a lot : agreed I hold her very high as per her capabilities as I have admitted before also.

Sunita s dad was born in India.... Agreed but NO she wouldn't have learnt much about India if she visited the place thrice in 42 years and was brought up in a mixed culture - plus grew up in the US . Might have been different if she had both Indian parents and had more ties.

PM meets her .... well its a part of the protocol he greets the Pak PM also ....that doesn't prove she has done anything for India ....

Bullets - I have cited above which I would care for you or any one else to respond to.(produced below for convenience )

If some Indian female takes her as a role model , she would also have to accept going to the US , becoming an American , joining NASA and then achieving as a part of the picture .

Please - I do not have anything against her - she has achieved a lot - my point is that achievement doesn't go into Indian coffers or help India remotely and hence not really a reason for Indians to feel achievement in .



'1. What Indian ness would anyone have left behind with after being born and bred abroad to a non Indian mother and an Indian father who diluted his own culture and Indian ness by marrying a non Indian ?? She married a white American further diluting whatever she had and I wonder if their children would have any Indian identity left ??? (if they have obviously)....samosas ... and maybe a namaste also hmmmm I wished she knew her language.... maybe thats also been transitioned since she has visited India only thrice in her 42 years .

'With the help of an interpreter, Sunita narrated the experiences of her 195-day space odyssey'

2. What has she done for India - I wish she would have returned and been the 'second ' Indian to go into space ~ then all the celebrations would have been understood .

3. What has she promised to do for India in real - recall the protagonist in Swades who returns back. Well she can always help India with her experience and knowledge if she believes in India .

4. Why are Indians going gaga over her when she is NOT and Indian - NOR has she done anything for India - NOR will ever do (in most cases) .She had last visited the state in 1998 ..... 9 years back ... for her association with India .'


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 09:19:26

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Originally posted by Fido

If you ask , its questions , if I ask it is meaningless rant :(

PM meets her .... well its a part of the protocol he greets the Pak PM also ....that doesn't prove she has done anything for India ....

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I never heard Indian PM calling Pak PM a role model ..... he never asked Indian kids to emulate what the Pak PM has done ....
Understand what is the message .... it goes more then the protocal ....

If she inspires one Indian to go to space .... then it will be worth the effort .....



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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 09:33:35

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Originally posted by puttoo

If she inspires one Indian to go to space .... then it will be worth the effort .....



LOL. Without her inspiration, Indians wont go to space? C'mon. U can do better than this.

Rakesh Sharma was inspired by her or was she inspired by him? Even if she was inspired by him, will she admit it?
We can go on and on. We cant change things as it is not in our control. Who knows? She may be recommended for Bharat Ratna. After all, her dad is from India.

DIO



puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-09-07 09:52:08

You wont understand the concept of inspiration ...... for you " blood" is more important tehn anything ... I guess it would have been ok if she had married an Indian Gujju .... but to marry a " white" guy ... that really sets you off ....
On Bharat Ratna ...... we gave it to Nelson Mandela ..... why ..... he is not an Indian nor he has any Indian hertiage ........


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Originally posted by puttoo

She may be recommended for Bharat Ratna. After all, her dad is from India.

DIO







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