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sha2nk   
Member since: Feb 06
Posts: 14
Location: mississuaga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 09:53:00

Hello,

Thanks a lot to everyone to provide very useful information. I am also confused here like should I go for SAP certification as I have never worked on SAP platform so far and I have seen that companies hire expereinced SAP consultant so only certification may not work.. Important is expereince.. but we dont get expereice by doing actual implementation then one is left with single choice i.e to obtain certificate.. like its otherside of the coin. (As previously said by our friend... so what one should do?? get the certification right now and start applying for SAP job OR wait for SAP job first and then get certification??

How difficult it is to get a break in SAP without experience... and what is the market in Toronto??? I know no one can give precise answer but people like me can deifnatley gain from SAP gurus...

Thanks,



Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 10:18:35

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Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl

I am also thining in same direction ,,,from IT helpdesk to SAP BASIS and security as well as QA in SAP

TK thanks for info.

is it possible for you to share more knowledge about instritute here in Toronto ?




You are always asking for information / others to host parties etc ...... Ever thought of dispensing information on the forum and being on the giving end for a change ??? ;)


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Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 10:20:41

Sometimes it really surprises me as to how wannabes want to take the shortest route to the top ... No offence , but to me it appears to be an insult to the people who work hard and gain experience .... Please do not take this comment otherwise ..

After 7 yrs of DB experience , I could not think of stepping into BASIS 3 yrs back , and here we have Helpdesk / QA wannabes talking of BASIS ..... I really wonder what the recruiter at the other side is going to think ..... I mean put yourself in his situation and ask yourself - would you give BASIS posiitons to in experienced people ? ... Sorry for being blunt .....

Honestly -- try to start from the basics .... If I had to take on BASIS , I would first learn ABAP / DBA , work in a SAP environment , then do a BASIS course and still hope that I can make a break ....... doing a BASIS course and asking for jobs is going to work once you are working in a SAP environment or are in a market like India where it is slightly easier to gain experience ...

I know my post is not encouraging , but please think twice before putting your hard earned money in something at a wrong time ..... in case it is EI / Second career , go right ahead but if it is yours play safe ....... Again if it were me and I wished to do a career change ... I would take a break from Canada for 6 months ..... go to India ... a course in 2 months @ 15 hrs a day and then possibly a project for another 3 months before heading back .... I loose 6 months but heck what ...... I am much better armed then I would be after 1 year here ...... The risk is big but so is the reward .... At least at the interview , I can convince .... I know my job .


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kabutar12   
Member since: Nov 08
Posts: 130
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 10:41:55

The natural progression for IT help desk people is SAP security field and NOT BASIS area.
Basis field is more for DBA profile person and is very vast as compared to SAP security.

Now on SAP security topic, more then 90% of companies look for resources who have security knowledge/experience in R/3, BI, CRM, SRM, APO etc...(Netweaver stack)
The way security model works in R/3 is quite different from BI and is very different from CRM or SRM etc...

I am sure most of the institutes will just train you on R/3 side and in today's market you will have to be extremely lucky or resourceful to find a project.

If you can find an institute which can offer Security training on SAP Netweaver stack then i think its worth taking otherwise explore the market before committing to a course.



tamilkuravan   
Member since: Jun 05
Posts: 5775
Location: God's own country

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 11:24:35

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Originally posted by web2000
It is equally true when immigrants come to Canada and steal Canadians jobs.


When we immigrate, we are Citizens in waiting (ie) on PR. So we have equal rights and right to jobs as Canadians here. So your understanding is flawed. However I am of the opinion that the Canadian govt. is cheating us by allowing us to use our degrees for immigration (like Engineering, Architecture, Teaching, etc..) and then refusing us jobs here by not recogonising our degrees for jobs.

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SAP BASIS
Thank you for your reply, i am a canadian citizen and have been living here for 10years doing I.T HELP DESK which I dont see myself going higher in my job profile so i was thinking of doing SAP basis starting fresh in Jan or Feb of 2010 and then getting a job into that field after which pursuing in SAP security and BI . But truly speaking i have heard alot of good and bad advices and i am pretty confused as to what to do with my career, My main concern is companies do not hire new grads they want experienced personel and we cant get experience without a job (two sides of a coin) which concerns me alot spending money to do something and then not getting into that field is a BIG BIG risk, i do have a job but want to move higher and make more money .


Job market is tough. But it is 1000 times better when compared to other professions. IT and Finance are racially independent and Canadian experience is not mandatory or even required. 99 % of people in IT fake experience, or fake degrees, qualifications , lie etc...(Esp. in the USA). Since there are a lot of vacancies, Canadian recruiters are becomign desparate.
SAP Course is $1500 to $2000 for 13 classes on saturday or Sunday of 6 hours each week. Installment is allowed. Free laptops (for life) is given. Free hard copies of copyrighted material is given (Some $300 value). SAP Access is inclused (a $60 / month value). Coffee (some locations only) / water / tim bits (limited quanity) is free on mmost campusus. So what stops people from trying their luck at their free time during weekends.
May be you will get a job in the GTA after recession and when hiring starts or in USA (most likely in the USA after recession). You all know that SAP jobs start with $40 an hour and goes to $250 an hour.
Who in India in the 1990's would have thought that IT boom will bring so many indian dull heads to USA on top salary and that many dull heads would be earning $100K a year in the USA with American citizenship and Honda cars ? But that is the reality from 1998 onwards..
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I know my post is not encouraging , but please think twice before putting your hard earned money in something at a wrong time ..... in case it is EI / Second career , go right ahead but if it is yours play safe ....... Again if it were me and I wished to do a career change ... I would take a break from Canada for 6 months ..... go to India ... a course in 2 months @ 15 hrs a day and then possibly a project for another 3 months before heading back .... I loose 6 months but heck what ...... I am much better armed then I would be after 1 year here ...... The risk is big but so is the reward .... At least at the interview , I can convince .... I know my job .
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For EI people, The govt. pays expenses but expects you to stay in Canada
For people shelling out money, if you have a M-F job and study in the weekend, then you have to be in Canada.
So Canada works out better. who will want to go to India and study in the Sun, seeing poor people / ugly people in the streets.
However, quality of impartation of Indian education is better. But then many SAP people depend on the notes and system access
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Sometimes it really surprises me as to how wannabes want to take the shortest route to the top ... No offence , but to me it appears to be an insult to the people who work hard and gain experience .... Please do not take this comment otherwise
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Fido,
I know many diploma people, BA History people, Bsc people who studied some 3 months course (in the boom times) and are now even at the VP levels in USA. So IT is one field which does not require any hard work. The only problem now is the recession and that we have many qualified / experienced people looking for work. That is the main point.

Hope this helps

Peace by a PD


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sal786   
Member since: Oct 09
Posts: 6
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 11:37:36

Your reply was a little blunt FIDO but thats how you feel no thinking otherwise. Thank you for your info which is giving me ideas, any institutes you would recommend to do the sap course and which ones give free access to their sap system and laptops ? I will still do my research until the end of the year and then make a decision, it all comes down to where we are getting paid more and for what money is what matters in this era i have seen alot of other grads who graduate from one field and go into another cuz money is more there.



web2000   
Member since: May 06
Posts: 849
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-09 15:39:22

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
When we immigrate, we are Citizens in waiting (ie) on PR. So we have equal rights and right to jobs as Canadians here. So your understanding is flawed.



When jobs are outsourced it is just because of the cost. So your thinking of stealing the jobs is unjustified. It is the competition. Software development in India is much cheaper than in Canada.

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
You all know that SAP jobs start with $40 an hour and goes to $250 an hour.
Peace by a PD



That will never ever happen in this competitive world.



Contributors: sal786(6) Fido(5) tamilkuravan(4) sha2nk(2) web2000(2) kabutar12(1) ITguy07(1) Blue_Peafowl(1)



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