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Posted on: 08-11-11 19:49:17
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:geez man, how is that any fault of the conservative party of Canada?
Originally posted by sant
ask those people who applied in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 and are still waiting to hear about thier applications .
they weren't even in power for half of those years.
they formed a govt. for the first time in 2006, that too a minority govt.
they have been out of office for over 20 years.
what else are you gonna blame Stephen Harper for?
global warming? world hunger?
the extinction of the spotted owl?
come on now .
whether they were in power or not in those years but they changed the game by letting in people who applied later than the people who were already in the Queue .
People are still waiting from 2004 and onwards and people who applied in 2010 are already in canada .
do you really think this is fair to let in people who applied later and make people who applied as early as 2004 even 2003 to keep waiting ?
Now dont tell me that people who applied in Liberals tenure are their problem and conservatives are taking care of people who applied when they came to power
Preston Manning and the Reform Party harbored racists and advocated many white supremacists ideas.
Preston Manning's chief policy adviser was Stephen Harper. So, Mannings’s wasn’t Harper’s mentor rather the other way.
Read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Manning
Harper eventually, realised that he had to sound moderate in order to implement his right wing agenda.
Among, some of the Reform Party’s agenda was:
From this source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_Canada
“Reform's early policy proposals for immigration were seen as highly controversial in Canada including a policy pamphlet called Blue Sheet that was issued in mid-1991 stating that Reformers opposed "any immigration based on race or creed or designed to radically or suddenly alter the ethnic makeup of Canada".[13] The statement was considered too controversial and subsequent Reform Party policy documents did not declare any similar concern for a radical alteration of the ethnic make-up of Canada.[14]
However this controversy and others raised the question over whether Reform was intolerant to non-white people and whether the party harboured racist members.[14] Subsequent repeated accounts of xenophobic and racist statements by individual Reform party supporters and members spread this concern, though the party itself continuously denied that it supported such views.[8]”
So, Harper’s actions today reflect those beliefs.
Race based agenda.
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:i know about the Reform Party roots and Preston Manning, sguk.
Originally posted by sguk
In reality, the Conservative Party has been taken over by the Reform Party. We all know, the Reform Party harbors known racists (who have changed tactics).
no need to quote wiki articles to me.
Preston Manning is Stephen Harper's mentor.
the reason the eastern conservatives had to merge with the western Reform Party is simply because in the last 30 years the country has gone too far left.
there is too much taxation, too much spending on wastefull things, and too much greasing of public sector fat cats by way of pay, benefits and pensions.
the country's finances are being mis-appropriated by the liberals the same way they did back in the 1970s.
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What has really happened is Harper has polished up his act, and is using fine words to hoodwink the visible minorities.
there is nosuch agenda, IMHO.
finally we have a prime minister and a finance minister who have the will and the ability to make a difference.
Quote:because of all the uncontrolled "worker" immigration quota and the refugee quota increases done by the liberals over the last 20 years.
Oh, regarding Liberal's to blame of the 7 year backlog, it is a known fact that since the Conservative Party have come in power they have reduced family migration quota.
at a time when all other countries have completely stopped open immigration, Canada at least allows that.
where else in the world can a skilled immigrant get permanent residency within 6 months?
where else in the world can you get citizenship and passport within 3 years?
where else in the world can parents and granparents spend only 2 out of 5 years (accumulated) and still retain their PR and benefits?
make no mistake, Canada right now has the most liberal, most flexible immigration program on the planet.
Quote:so basically you are determined to blame Stephen Harper's government no matter what - regardless of facts.
Originally posted by sant
come on now .
whether they were in power or not in those years but they changed the game by letting in people who applied later than the people who were already in the Queue .
Fact is that it is not the conservatives that "changed the game".
It was Jean Creithen's govt in 2003 that changed the rules of the game.
Bill C-11.
Remember that?
it was your dearest sweet heart liberal govt. that decided to leave thousands of applicants (mostly from India and China) in limbo and created the new rules, the new point system and suspended the old applications.
I distinctly remember those days.
i remember the immigration minister issuing a statement asking all immigrants to either update their applications with the new rules or withdraw the applications.
that is how much your dearest sweet hearts care about immigrants.
want more facts?
one of the main reasons they did that bill was to enhance the refugee system to streamline (i.e. speed up) the refugee claims.
why, you may ask.
simple : to get the extra refugee grant money from the United Nations.
my friend, this whole thing is a game by the liberals.
they care for one and one thing only - maximum taxation for workers so that they can party like drunken sailors with their cushy benefits, pensions and union protection.
Quote:the only thing the conservative govt' did was refresh the list of occupations that are prioritized (the NOC codes).
do you really think this is fair to let in people who applied later and make people who applied as early as 2004 even 2003 to keep waiting ?
they have to do that based on economic realities.
if you look at those occupations on the NOC priority list, you will realize what kind of occupations are in demand.
if you belong to those occupations you can get a work permit based job.
after working for 2 years you can apply for PR.
your application will be processed within Canada and in 1 year max. you are done.
the govt is simply responding to the dynamic needs of the economy.
there is no racial agenda, no hidden agenda.
it is pure and simple economic needs.
all countries are doing the same, and actually much worse.
As many had feared Bill c-50 which was passed by the Harper Government (he changed this phrase from the "Canadian Government"
to discourage family reunification.
It is the story of the Hangman.
Today, it is family reunification which goes under the knife.
Tomorrow, it will be the refugees.
And then so other group.
All so they can select which races to allow, how much of that race to allow etc.
Pure and simple. A race based agenda.
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:so basically you are determined to blame Stephen Harper's government no matter what - regardless of facts.
Originally posted by sant
come on now .
whether they were in power or not in those years but they changed the game by letting in people who applied later than the people who were already in the Queue .
Fact is that it is not the conservatives that "changed the game".
It was Jean Creithen's govt in 2003 that changed the rules of the game.
Bill C-11.
Remember that?
it was your dearest sweet heart liberal govt. that decided to leave thousands of applicants (mostly from India and China) in limbo and created the new rules, the new point system and suspended the old applications.
I distinctly remember those days.
i remember the immigration minister issuing a statement asking all immigrants to either update their applications with the new rules or withdraw the applications.
that is how much your dearest sweet hearts care about immigrants.
want more facts?
one of the main reasons they did that bill was to enhance the refugee system to streamline (i.e. speed up) the refugee claims.
why, you may ask.
simple : to get the extra refugee grant money from the United Nations.
my friend, this whole thing is a game by the liberals.
they care for one and one thing only - maximum taxation for workers so that they can party like drunken sailors with their cushy benefits, pensions and union protection.
Quote:the only thing the conservative govt' did was refresh the list of occupations that are prioritized (the NOC codes).
do you really think this is fair to let in people who applied later and make people who applied as early as 2004 even 2003 to keep waiting ?
they have to do that based on economic realities.
if you look at those occupations on the NOC priority list, you will realize what kind of occupations are in demand.
if you belong to those occupations you can get a work permit based job.
after working for 2 years you can apply for PR.
your application will be processed within Canada and in 1 year max. you are done.
the govt is simply responding to the dynamic needs of the economy.
there is no racial agenda, no hidden agenda.
it is pure and simple economic needs.
all countries are doing the same, and actually much worse.
Quote:you forget my friend that the liberals supported that bill.
Originally posted by sguk
As many had feared Bill c-50 which was passed by the Harper Government
the bill was passed by a minority conservative govt. with the support of other members of parliament.
why are the contents of the bill racial?
it is purely economic and financial considerations.
you are determined to consider every little thing that the present govt is doing as racial.
there is nothing racial about that bill.
Not the contents but the power vested on the immigration minister ... prone to abuse ... exactly the way the family sponsorship was cancelled.
It terms of economic and financial considerations, well the visible minorities are going to be contributing the major share of all tax funds (OAS, GIS, and funding for the healthcare) ... so really adding their parents (who will be migrating) doesn't add much ... especially if you add of the cost of OAS,GIS and healthcare (for older white folks).
Now, if we are talking about financial considerations, the Harper government should SCRAP OAS and GIS to start with.
I see no reason, why taxpayers should fund OAS/GIS from general taxation. 
The changes in Bill C-50 allow the immigration minister to overlook applications made on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:you forget my friend that the liberals supported that bill.
Originally posted by sguk
As many had feared Bill c-50 which was passed by the Harper Government
the bill was passed by a minority conservative govt. with the support of other members of parliament.
why are the contents of the bill racial?
it is purely economic and financial considerations.
you are determined to consider every little thing that the present govt is doing as racial.
there is nothing racial about that bill.
Not yet.
If its a cost to the government to allow family migration (parents, grandparents - many who need all sort of support). We are talking about parents of Canadian citizens here.
Those citizens, visible minorities who will be paying taxes (and all this DEBT)
Taxes, which are going to fund a group of people who happen to be poor.
If the government doesn't mind spending on this, then why not also spend for family migration?
How many billions are we spending on GIS/OAS, healthcare (for older people)?
How many millions will we be spending on additional family migration costs?
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Originally posted by ashedfc
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Originally posted by sguk
I see no reason, why taxpayers should fund OAS/GIS from general taxation. :
You have lost your mind, You don't know what you are recommending above..
OAS/GIS is the only means of survival for poor seniors (retired people) who have nowhere else to go, & they have to deal with higher cost of living, paying through every essentials, with no one else to help them.. as inflation is taking wealth away from people.
Harper is an economists; he knows much better about these aspects.. At a time when the world is struggling, Canada is fortunate to have a very able PM in charge of the country. Its the conservative policies which has successfully pulled Canada out of this global mess, & thanks to Liberal policies, Ontario is stuck in sinkhole...
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