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Posted on: 10-11-11 14:06:53
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:fair enough, but the keyword here is after citizenship
Originally posted by dudewheresmycar
Actually parents GC only takes 6 months after Citizenship..
Citizenship in the US takes a lot longer than in Canada.
we can argue about H-1B route vs. family route but the fact is that majority of Indian workers have to immigrate via the H-1B route.
I believe in the US you have to be 5 years GC before even applying for citizenship, no?
given the problems with h-1b quota, GC processing timelines etc. I don't see how this whole thing can take anything less than 10 - 12 years at least.
and yes, I do know about the specialized GC categories that expedite the process, but those are a very small % of applicants, and it is getting smaller and smaller and harder and harder.
give or take 1 or 2 years here and there, but there is no average ordinary way you can get citizenship in the US faster than in Canada for a typical work based immigrant.
Quote:the risk to health care is not just immigration.
I for one love the system having been in US seeing both sides and hope that we are able to preserve it for ever..
arguably, immigration is a problem but not the only problem for health care.
I'd say a much bigger issue is the wastage of tax $$ on public sector spending, keeping and increasing a fatcat system of pay benefits and pensions for the priviledged public sector workers.
if we all agree that health care is an important issue and if we all as a society want to preserve the socialized nature of health care i.e. don't want a two tier system, then we MUST dismantle this public sector freeloading system to save money.
we can save not millions, but billions.
i can provide my thoughts and suggestions if anyone cares or is interested.
I'm all for a rational discussion and debate, not getting flamed and accused as a party agent, etc. and get buried with emoticons.
essay writer for current government...keep up good work...
you need only one emoticons
Quote:good to know that you have no interest and no knowledge and no inclination in this matter.
Originally posted by Desi # 1
essay writer for current government...keep up good work...
you need only one emoticons
i know now not to respond to your libel any more.
how is it working out for you paying the health tax, eco fee, HST, gasoline tax, hydro rates, DRC, and now coming up carbon tax...
just keep voting for McGuinty and we'll revisit after a couple of years.
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:the keyword here is citizenship.
Originally posted by BlueLobster
It is a fact, not a belief. A Cdn. citizen applying for their parents immigration will wait years, whereas a US citizen will get it within a year.
see my post above.
can you show the numbers how a typical skilled worker attains citizenship faster in the US than in Canada?
assume typical skilled worker that qualifies both under the canadian federal program as well as a US H-1B.
barring exceptional expedited cases and some anecdotal evidence, I just don't see this.
Go back to my first post in this thread. You said it takes 5 yrs. for sponsorship of parents in the US and then somehow added it all of up for total process to take 15-17 yrs.
I pointed out the 5 yrs. sponsorship number was flat out wrong (even highlighted it). It takes less than a year in most cases, this is the norm. Then you start talking about your aunt taking 6 yrs. which is obviously an extreme exception. In the same breath, you're insisting on stickig to norms when makig H1B-GC to Canada PR comparisons. That's text-book propaganda and thus my "fair and balanced" comment.
When someone pointed out that spending a billion dollars on a summit was wrong, you justified that by talking about "billions" in taxes. Another propaganda tactic (topic-changing).
I have no interest in jumping into a Tory policy debate with you. I was only pointing out something factually incorrect in your post and the fact that you're adding it up to carry on with the propaganda. You can keep fooling yourself about taking a "rational" view on this.
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Are you there?
BL - you can not mend incorrigible (DB)... he or she will come up with new points (so called rational discussion). I think at this time he or she must be reading National Post or watching Sun News Channel to get new pointers.
Quote:you and i are comparing apples and oranges.
Originally posted by BlueLobster
Go back to my first post in this thread. You said it takes 5 yrs. for sponsorship of parents in the US and then somehow added it all of up for total process to take 15-17 yrs.
I pointed out the 5 yrs. sponsorship number was flat out wrong (even highlighted it). It takes less than a year in most cases, this is the norm.
you are talking about timelines post citizenship while i have been using end-to-end numbers.
nothing wrong with your timelines claim, probably but we can't say that pre-citizenship timeline is immaterial to the discussion.
my only point is for a skilled worker living in India today who qualifies for both canadian PR as well as a US h-1b, canada immgration route is faster today for his parents' immigration, all else being equal (i.e. no change in govt. policy on either side of the border).
and also that canadian immigration has been the faster route historically for parents immigration - end to end.
Quote:i did not bring up the G20 summit, someone else did.
When someone pointed out that spending a billion dollars on a summit was wrong, you justified that by talking about "billions" in taxes. Another propaganda tactic (topic-changing).
it's ok for someone else to change the topic, but i can't bring up how tax $$ is being wasted elsewhere?
other than that, the quintet above has repeatedly portrayed the canadian govt. as racist, discriminatory, white supremacist, etc. without providing any facts, any evidence.
so maybe that's acceptable and yet i get branded as a political agent.
it has been claimed that the immigration policy is racist, and i have tried to prove it is not.
that was my only endeavour.
if you don't wanna discuss govt. policy fine by me.
but realize that all the claims about racism, white supremacy, discrimination etc. are patently and demonstratively false.
this whole thread was started with that express intention.
and I did not start the thread.
i was instigated to participate in the thread by the quintent of Desi#1, Your Friend, sant, and sguk (see page# 1 of the thread), each of whom has sneered at me and taunted my name.
the purpose of the thread has been to brand the Canadian govt. as racist, discriminatory towards immigrants and deliberately working against the interests of immigrants.
all of the above is false.
just so you realize that.
DesiBabu70
Out of your 199 posts 90-95% can be dedicated to propagating conservative agenda. Am I wrong in saying that?
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LOL 
I will respond to his posts soon.
Quote:
Originally posted by BlueLobster
Quote:
Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:the keyword here is citizenship.
Originally posted by BlueLobster
It is a fact, not a belief. A Cdn. citizen applying for their parents immigration will wait years, whereas a US citizen will get it within a year.
see my post above.
can you show the numbers how a typical skilled worker attains citizenship faster in the US than in Canada?
assume typical skilled worker that qualifies both under the canadian federal program as well as a US H-1B.
barring exceptional expedited cases and some anecdotal evidence, I just don't see this.
Go back to my first post in this thread. You said it takes 5 yrs. for sponsorship of parents in the US and then somehow added it all of up for total process to take 15-17 yrs.
I pointed out the 5 yrs. sponsorship number was flat out wrong (even highlighted it). It takes less than a year in most cases, this is the norm. Then you start talking about your aunt taking 6 yrs. which is obviously an extreme exception. In the same breath, you're insisting on stickig to norms when makig H1B-GC to Canada PR comparisons. That's text-book propaganda and thus my "fair and balanced" comment.
When someone pointed out that spending a billion dollars on a summit was wrong, you justified that by talking about "billions" in taxes. Another propaganda tactic (topic-changing).
I have no interest in jumping into a Tory policy debate with you. I was only pointing out something factually incorrect in your post and the fact that you're adding it up to carry on with the propaganda. You can keep fooling yourself about taking a "rational" view on this.
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