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Posted on: 06-11-11 21:51:00
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:sant, would you please quote or link to a post where you allege that i have gotten personal and blamed somebody else?
Originally posted by sant
You are the one who gets personal and blame others .
would you please post it?
on the other hand, i have borne the brunt of all kinds of accusations, snides, and meaningless allegations.
check your response in the next post itself ( reproduced below ) .
read the last line, you are bringing my name unnecessarily for no reason .
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Originally posted by dudewheresmycar
Instead of denying PR to parents and GPs, I think the easier option is to make the sponsor responsible for health costs of their PR and GPs for the rest of the life and exclude them from OAS and CPP if they dont work for atleast 10 years.
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eh? what makes you think that immigrated parents and grandparents get CPP and OAS?
do you even know what CPP is?
and what the eligibility criteria for OAS is?
and what the sponsorship declaration is that a sponsor is required to sign when sponsoring parents or grandparents?
would you please read about CPP and OAS before you jump to such conclusions?
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Conservative government has the right idea, protect the country and system for the current citizens.
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i suppose then Desi#1 and Your friend and sant must be calling you an agent of the conservatives, too?
where are they?
don't you know that anyone what even uses the word conservative is supposed to be an agent, according to them?
Sguk,
That was a positive post.
Immigrants (visible minorities - I am guessing immigrants from native-non English speaking countries do not fall into this pool - from Portugal to Ukraine ) who will form a substantial/majority population depending on which statistics you will review.There was a segment on CBC that Toronto in 20 years will have a substantial Asian population in the senior citizen segment.This is could another challenge for the federal government as challenges posed by this demographics may not be similar to the same population in NB or NS.
I am hoping that the honorable minister has a plan in the future to pay OAS and GIS (for non caucasian population in the GTA).
To protect the privileges of the white folks and to be paid in the future by the visible minorities which we are doing right now.I am hoping that the administrators have a thorough plan to take care of the visible minorities 15-20 years from now.That is what we call policy making and not creating new visa classes when you already have existing visas.
Ruby Dhalla at some time had on electoral platform an issue where immigrants from certain countries did not even need to work for 40 quarters to collect CPP & OAS.Correct me if I am wrong or could somebody articulate on that if I am correct.
sguk, you raise very valid points and concerns, i commend you for that.
Quote:your analysis is very correct.
Originally posted by sguk
They will be working and paying taxes to subsidize healthcare (for whites) which will resulting tremendous federal / provincial transfers and HUGE deficits and debts – all to be funded by tax paying visible minorities.
Add to this visible minorities in the future will be subsidizing OAS and GIS (for whites). Today, the biggest expense on the federal government is OAS/GIS (for old white folks). It is not a surprise the biggest expense for the provincial government is health care (for old white folks)
So, the conservative party’s secret agenda is a racial one. To protect the privileges of the white folks and to be paid in the future by the visible minorities.
i raised some of these issues earlier this year when the federal election campaigning was going on.
these are all correct issues except that IMHO the issue is not racial here.
the rules are the same for everyone, black or white or brown or yellow.
the key issue is as follows : over taxing the working people to pay for fat benefits to the social sector
that is the issue, and it is not racial.
the caucasian birth rate is declining. we all know that.
it is a proven statistical fact - in north america as well as europe.
so both north america and europe need immigrants from asia and africa.
canada is worse off because the native caucasian population was very small to begin with.
and now with declining birth rate there is no choice.
it is not a racial agenda.
other than asia nobody has enough population to supply immigrants.
africa is not ready yet because of lack of education, skills, poverty and war.
only asia can supply immigrants.
and who in asia - yep, India and china.
so it is merely statistical reality that india (and other brown countreis) are supplying so many immigrants.
so indians (and asians) form the growing % of workers that work and pay taxes.
the problem is that nearly 40 years of tax and spend liberal governments have created this situation that we find ourselves in.
it started with the Pearson era but got a lot worse under the Trudeau and Turner regimes.
Trudeau has ruled for nearly 5 terms.
overall his term (including his close deputy Turner) encompasses nearly 16 years.
during those years they racked up huge huge deficits and debt.
they mortgaged the future to pay for all their liberal wet dreams like unlimited public sector benefits and pensions.
guess who is left to bear the brunt of those policies - yep, it is the generations that followed i.e. us and the coming generations.
they partially avoided the problem in the 80s and early 90s by introducing the GST and increasing income taxes.
but now the problem is re-surfacing again.
while we were still reeling under the pressure of the GST, Chrétien continued spending money like a drunken sailor and further increased our debt.
he also indulged in the same corruption, cronyism and handouts that characterized the Trudeau and Clark era.
remember all those political appointments that Trudeau did and passed them onto clark when he took office?
Chrétien did the same with the Quebec sponsorship scandal.
Paul Martin's govt briefly managed to create a balanced budget not by cutting spending but by increasing taxes.
i see the same mirror image of Trudeau and Turner in McGuinty.
it's the same eagerness to tax the heck out of the workers and pay for all these programs.
squeeze blood out of a stone.
and the corruption and cronyism is even worse.
it is not racial but merely ideological.
Quote:Jack, you are partially correct.
Originally posted by Jack109
immigrants from certain countries did not even need to work for 40 quarters to collect CPP & OAS.Correct me if I am wrong or could somebody articulate on that if I am correct.
some countries have benefits coordination agreements with Canada that enables them to carry over their eligibility to registered social benefits when they immigrate to Canada.
for e.g. the US and UK have such agreements.
those agreements are reciprocal in nature i.e. if a Canadian moves to those countries they will get similalr eligibility credit.
reference: http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/ibfa/socagree.shtml
the list of countries is here:
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/ibfa/summarytoc.shtml
as you can see, there are quite a few non white countries in there including some predominantly black countries.
this is not racial at all.
what our dearest ruby dhalla is proposing is all fine and dandy but it is not so easy and straightforward.
for it to work out, India will have to have similar programs in place.
i don't believe India does.
how easy do you think it is for india to implement a comparable program?
let's talk then
The caucasian race that you speak of includes whites and Indians. See this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
Nevertheless, the agenda is racial. Ask any immigrant, the barriers they put up for you at the workplace including so called "Canadian Experience" ... thinly disguised to discriminate against visible migrants.
And keep them a highly educated, underclass devoted to menial jobs like factories, tim's etc.
This will result in alienation by the non whites. The Conservative Party is sowing tomorrow's seeds of racial tensions.
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
sguk, you raise very valid points and concerns, i commend you for that.
Quote:your analysis is very correct.
Originally posted by sguk
They will be working and paying taxes to subsidize healthcare (for whites) which will resulting tremendous federal / provincial transfers and HUGE deficits and debts – all to be funded by tax paying visible minorities.
Add to this visible minorities in the future will be subsidizing OAS and GIS (for whites). Today, the biggest expense on the federal government is OAS/GIS (for old white folks). It is not a surprise the biggest expense for the provincial government is health care (for old white folks)
So, the conservative party’s secret agenda is a racial one. To protect the privileges of the white folks and to be paid in the future by the visible minorities.
i raised some of these issues earlier this year when the federal election campaigning was going on.
these are all correct issues except that IMHO the issue is not racial here.
the rules are the same for everyone, black or white or brown or yellow.
the key issue is as follows : over taxing the working people to pay for fat benefits to the social sector
that is the issue, and it is not racial.
the caucasian birth rate is declining. we all know that.
it is a proven statistical fact - in north america as well as europe.
so both north america and europe need immigrants from asia and africa.
canada is worse off because the native caucasian population was very small to begin with.
and now with declining birth rate there is no choice.
it is not a racial agenda.
other than asia nobody has enough population to supply immigrants.
africa is not ready yet because of lack of education, skills, poverty and war.
only asia can supply immigrants.
and who in asia - yep, India and china.
so it is merely statistical reality that india (and other brown countreis) are supplying so many immigrants.
so indians (and asians) form the growing % of workers that work and pay taxes.
the problem is that nearly 40 years of tax and spend liberal governments have created this situation that we find ourselves in.
it started with the Pearson era but got a lot worse under the Trudeau and Turner regimes.
Trudeau has ruled for nearly 5 terms.
overall his term (including his close deputy Turner) encompasses nearly 16 years.
during those years they racked up huge huge deficits and debt.
they mortgaged the future to pay for all their liberal wet dreams like unlimited public sector benefits and pensions.
guess who is left to bear the brunt of those policies - yep, it is the generations that followed i.e. us and the coming generations.
they partially avoided the problem in the 80s and early 90s by introducing the GST and increasing income taxes.
but now the problem is re-surfacing again.
while we were still reeling under the pressure of the GST, Chrétien continued spending money like a drunken sailor and further increased our debt.
he also indulged in the same corruption, cronyism and handouts that characterized the Trudeau and Clark era.
remember all those political appointments that Trudeau did and passed them onto clark when he took office?
Chrétien did the same with the Quebec sponsorship scandal.
Paul Martin's govt briefly managed to create a balanced budget not by cutting spending but by increasing taxes.
i see the same mirror image of Trudeau and Turner in McGuinty.
it's the same eagerness to tax the heck out of the workers and pay for all these programs.
squeeze blood out of a stone.
and the corruption and cronyism is even worse.
it is not racial but merely ideological.
Ummph NO ... The track record of the Liberals is clear.
It is a party that stands for inclusiveness ... unlike the closet, racist agenda of the
Conservatives.
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Originally posted by ashedfc
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Originally posted by sguk
The Conservative Party is sowing tomorrow's seeds of racial tensions.
Open your eyes, & come in your senses...... All of them are the same "garbage"
Liberal/Conservatives... its the same shit..
Quote:i am frankly shocked that you consider the liberals as being "inclusive" !
Originally posted by sguk
Ummph NO ... The track record of the Liberals is clear.
It is a party that stands for inclusiveness ... unlike the closet, racist agenda of the
Conservatives.
if anything the current plight of immigration is mostly a result of their policies.
i don't think either of the parties is racial.
it is more about preserving their vote banks and cushy benefits.
the liberals are par masters at this.
you see they have created these huge vote banks to ensure their continued success.
immigration is not their only vote banks.
there are bigger, and more powerful vote banks that they have created.
for instance, the unions, the teachers, etc.
they are slowly bankrupting the country.
they are taxing us to death to pay for all their sponsorship scandals, the auto union bailouts, the fat public sector pay and pensions, pandering to the separatist quebec terrorists, etc.
do you know that under the regime of Dalton McGuinty, Ontario's debt is now MORE than that of the states of California and Texas?
do you know that most financial agencies now consider the state of California to be essentially bankrupt?
well, Ontario is worse than that!
the only reason Ontario has not been declared bankrupt yet is because they are squeezing our throats to extract more and more taxes from us every year.
health tax, eco fee, HST, hydro rates, ontario gas tax, it does on and on.
during the 1970s and 1980s, the Trudeau and Turner governments brought the country literally on the verge of bankruptcy.
do you know that Canada's sovereign debt was downgraded by S&P right after that time, just like US has been downgraded recently?
today Canada enjoys a AAA rating so people forget about that time.
it was the senseless spending scandals by the liberals that brought this great country on the brink of bankruptcy barely 20 years ago.
it took huge tax increases (GST, income taxes, etc.) to restore the budget balance.
the liberals caused that situation and the recession that followed was terrible.
let me put it simply : the federal and provincial liberal parties are bankrupting the country to pay for all their vote banks.
of course it is inclusive!!!
they are distributing free money to the auto unions, teachers and other public sector workers by squeezing your throats.
you think they care about your race?
bull crap!
they care a hoot about the color of your skin....
all they care about is how much tax you can pay
don't delude yourself that your sweet heart liberals care about bringing in all of us nice, hard working immigrants.
if they did, we would not have a 7 year backlog in parents' immigration !
let me ask you this:
who do you think created the backlog ?
if your bleeding heart liberals care so much about the welfare of immigrants, why does it take 7 years to sponsor parents?
surely you can't blame the conservative party for that backlog?
they haven't been in power for over 20 years (until 2006).
here is your answer : they care for immigrants only as nice juicy fresh bodies that can work hard and pay lots of taxes so that they can fund their schemes and their real partners (unions and public sector).
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