Bharat Ratna please forget milestone and retire !
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Posted on: 27-02-12 11:59:55
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Originally posted by elmer fudd
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Originally posted by DELHI INDIAN
Anyways, I still remember his batting on one day matches. OMG he was really slow. He was really funny (playing one day as test match).
Especially when he was batting on 49* and needing a run to reach the half century mark. It was like the beginning of every "Mahabharath" episode. "Main samay hoon" --rotating chakra, suspension of time and space, birth of the universe and Shastri still needing a single for reaching his milestone. Repeat same story at 99*.
I remember a test match - shastri and vengsarkar playing , Shastri was on 49*, venky came from behind completed half century, reached 99* , till then shastri was still on 49*. Then there was a struggle who will complete 'the milestone' first. vengsarker did it first but that period took almost a session !! Shastri completed it and draw was declared. Today we are struggling to save test matches which they started to kill long back.
If any team which made cricket exciting , it was south africa !! even watching their fielding was a delight.
Should non-performance by the other 10 players be justification for retaining Sachin. Should he not set an example like Viv Richards or Steve Waugh and other greats, by winning matches for the team on his own. Every time the team chases, it is only a matter of time before we see Tendulkar returning with bat under his arm pit, with the team score not even one fourth of the chase and he would have got out in an absurd way. It only shows he did not have the concentration or the willingness and is resting on the oars of his past performance. Most of the time, it is left to the rookies to win or lose the game. Then we will have the all-time-great generously participating in the victory celebrations. For all the greatness attributed to him, can't he show some grit and determination to remain at the crease at least for 25 overs.
One of the reasons for the non-performance of the team is the malaise of most of the players not fighting for their places on the field by their performance, but through the media. We have "dedicated" media people start shouting from the roof top, any time a particular player who have their blessings (or is the other way around) gets dropped. It was not this much before the onset of cricket as entertainment through satellite channels. Similarly, even a single match winning performance gets trumpeted all over the sport page, we are afraid that we have missed out handing over the Bharat Ratna to him. Right from the next match, the player's performance become pedestrian and we have the media people "covering" his non-performance. Great players like Vengsarkar, Mohinder, Vishy and others were dropped when the time came to hang their boots.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Should non-performance by the other 10 players be justification for retaining Sachin.
Absolutely not. but that one should not be the justification either to throw him out of the team.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Should he not set an example like Viv Richards or Steve Waugh and other greats, by winning matches for the team on his own.
Oh he did that many more times that these above big-wigs did. It is just that people have short memory and remember just the recent events. Even above guys had struggled some phases during their career. They were not ridiculed like how Sachin is getting ridiculed for recent few matches failure.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Every time the team chases, it is only a matter of time before we see Tendulkar returning with bat under his arm pit, with the team score not even one fourth of the chase and he would have got out in an absurd way. It only shows he did not have the concentration or the willingness and is resting on the oars of his past performance.
But who else performed better? Even when teams from other countries play on foreign land they tend to perform poorly.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
One of the reasons for the non-performance of the team is the malaise of most of the players not fighting for their places on the field by their performance, but through the media.
We have "dedicated" media people start shouting from the roof top, any time a particular player who have their blessings (or is the other way around) gets dropped. It was not this much before the onset of cricket as entertainment through satellite channels. Similarly, even a single match winning performance gets trumpeted all over the sport page, we are afraid that we have missed out handing over the Bharat Ratna to him. Right from the next match, the player's performance become pedestrian and we have the media people "covering" his non-performance. Great players like Vengsarkar, Mohinder, Vishy and others were dropped when the time came to hang their boots.
Again why blame Sachin for same. lets leave the discussion around Bharat Ratna on side for a moment, Name one single person in sports that comes immediately on your mind who has achieved similarly that Sachin did.
Again a period of a year or two may not be a bigger deal. But the record that Sachin will set, may remain in history like how Don Bradman's records associated in sports history of Australia.
But again Sachin did come across similar critcism in the past and he surprised most of the critics by hitting first one day double century against the toughest team also showed the best batting performance during that period.
bhootnath,
I am with you completely.
Tell me who's been benefitting all along with Sachin's high scores. Yes, all the runs go into his records, but indirectly into India's kity as well. When he scores big and India wins matches, noone complains (there are numerous matches statistically). But when he falters, everyone take their eyes/mind off him. He SURELY IS the match winner.
Someone please find some official statistics then let's talk. Until then, a so-called bad phase doesn't matter. At least to me.
There's no great in Cricket at this time, except the only one - Sachin.
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Originally posted by seenimesh
Cricketnext Article Link : http://cricketnext.in.com/news/think-before-critising-tendulkar/63864-13.html
Few lines from the article
For heaven's sake, someone should remind these self-proclaimed critics that Tendulkar is a human and not a run machine. Before criticising him, these pundits should remember one simple thing - name a better player than him to play cricket beside Sir Don Bradman or maybe Sir Vivian Richards.
LARA
"Beneath the helmet, under that unruly curly hair, inside the cranium, there is something we don't know, something beyond scientific measure.
quick to praise, quick to blame\" attitude and shortsightedness of some of the critics and so called cricket experts.
What is the point in going on supporting for Sachin, if ultimately we want India to win (i.e., if we really believe it is the national team). Have we not enough of this sort of idol worship in the field of politics, where the idol worship of Nehru, making one family having a stranglehold on the nation and the major political party, taking both of them down the drain during the last 60 years. We can see a similar parallel in cricket also during the last 25 years.
For all the record books waved on our face, Sachin or any other batsman is only as good as the last delivery he faced. Once upon a time Gavaskar or Kapil also possessed similar records. But can it be a reason for keeping them in the team for ever.
If we are really unbiased for the cause of our team, we can never accept the way Sachin gets out most of the time these days. Deliveries bowled on the stumps, which he earlier used to drive straight down for four, he attempts to play across towards mid-wicket or square leg. May be his reflexes have become slow or may be he thinks why he should keep running up and down so many times (especially when the team is chasing) or may be he thinks there is no selector who will dare to drop him. Standing plumb in front of the wicket for LBW, it is pathetic to see the all time great turn his back on the umpire, hoping that the decision goes in his favour. How many more times are we to keep seeing that on our TV screens. There is a difference between batsman getting out and throwing his wicket away. If it is latter case, he should be punished, even if he is the greatest.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
What is the point in going on supporting for Sachin, if ultimately we want India to win (i.e., if we really believe it is the national team). Have we not enough of this sort of idol worship in the field of politics, where the idol worship of Nehru, making one family having a stranglehold on the nation and the major political party, taking both of them down the drain during the last 60 years. We can see a similar parallel in cricket also during the last 25 years.
For all the record books waved on our face, Sachin or any other batsman is only as good as the last delivery he faced. Once upon a time Gavaskar or Kapil also possessed similar records. But can it be a reason for keeping them in the team for ever.
There you go again...
Poor performance by whole team- Blame Sachin,
Dirty politics/Idol worshippiing - blame Sachin
European crisis -blame Sachin
Personal failures - blame Sachin
DSK still roaming free in his underwear - blame Sachin
There are so many frustrations in life it is easy to find a scapegoat. Now since you already made up your mind Sachin should go, I cannot change no matter what Sachin did or he does or he will do. It is like convincing Fido to tip waiters (oops little off the topic
). You are right from your point of view. Just attempted to broaden the thinking by looking little further in the past and as well as about the future....easy to judge based on recent events.
BTW, Febpreet and Dan thanks for showing support to the argument.
It is not that I have a big poster of Sachin in my room or I stick to the TV when he is batting. It is just that out of billion population one veteran player is struggling a bit to make historical record. Instead of being little patient and improving his morale, some within the country doing the job for Pakistani players. Sabotage, if needed, to prevent an Indian player from making a record.
One should really come up with root cause of recent failures..what changed between prior to world cup and after world cup win?
Is it over-confidence of team: No
Is it lack of skills: No
Is it too much cricket: mostly No
politics in India: Heck, No
In my opinion, the performance of the team as whole mainly depends on 2 main individuals 1) Captain in the front 2) Coach in the background.
And a very important change that everyone is kind of missing that we no longer have the coach who made this team at its best. Just think of it and you will see it in black and white how team performed under Gary's coaching and how currently it is performing. Now is the new coach to blame...I would say no..It is the management who cannot see this and trying to blame it on individual players.
Bring a coach that will not only gel very well with team but work on individual's weaknesses, give Dhoni/Sehwag a constructive break (not throw them out) and make efforts to bring the team together. Then see team as well as each individual creating various records.
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