Bharat Ratna please forget milestone and retire !
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Posted on: 11-03-12 08:20:07
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Thanks for pointing to the error about Ramesh's debut as 1999 instead of 1998. He had scores of 43, 5, 60, 96, 79, 40, 143,30 in his first 4 matches. .
So his average is not 100 .... thanks .... all the scores you have mentioned above were in India or playing againt Sri Lanka ....... apples to apples as per your own statement they dont count
Let us look at perfomance against australia in australia ... he has an average of 20+ while Sachin has an average of 50+ .... this says it all.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Also there is no answer about Sachin's poor 4th innings test average of 38 i.e., when the team is dependent on him totally, Compared to double the figure if is a 1st test innings. That 38 also must be built around 2nd grade teams like Zimbabwe or Bangladesh and not against SA of Australia.
Also Sachin's dismal performance is one of reasons for India's failure in England and Australia. He is past his prime and needs to be dropped without attaching any sentiments. The same fate had happened to greats like Sobers.
Sachin was the second highest scorer for India is both the series ...... yes he should have done more , but then India had sent 11 players to play ... always keep that in mind.
Regarding his performance in 4th innings, it proves that when Sachin fails then India fails .... this goes to show how important is Sachin to Indian team. Don't know what you are trying to prove ....
Earlier you had mentioned about some players playing for team etc etc....
Here are the records for you ...
M Amarnath won 12 lost 23
D Vengsarkar ..... won 18 lost 34
Vishwantah ..... won 20 lost 28
S Tendulkar won 63 lost 54
So i will rather have Sachin play for India, then any of the other "team" players ......
He is a great player ... who will deny that .. He is successful/strong enough in working out things to his way ie he will play and have any number of chances till he make another century so that later he can continue some more years. That is not main concern ..
The main concern is the selection committee that can never make a bold or progressive decisions in India to encourage new talent which is needed for the health of the cricket ...
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Originally posted by puttoo
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Thanks for pointing to the error about Ramesh's debut as 1999 instead of 1998. He had scores of 43, 5, 60, 96, 79, 40, 143,30 in his first 4 matches. .
So his average is not 100 .... thanks .... all the scores you have mentioned above were in India or playing againt Sri Lanka ....... apples to apples as per your own statement they dont count
Let us look at perfomance against australia in australia ... he has an average of 20+ while Sachin has an average of 50+ .... this says it all.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
Also there is no answer about Sachin's poor 4th innings test average of 38 i.e., when the team is dependent on him totally, Compared to double the figure if is a 1st test innings. That 38 also must be built around 2nd grade teams like Zimbabwe or Bangladesh and not against SA of Australia.
Also Sachin's dismal performance is one of reasons for India's failure in England and Australia. He is past his prime and needs to be dropped without attaching any sentiments. The same fate had happened to greats like Sobers.
Sachin was the second highest scorer for India is both the series ...... yes he should have done more , but then India had sent 11 players to play ... always keep that in mind.
Regarding his performance in 4th innings, it proves that when Sachin fails then India fails .... this goes to show how important is Sachin to Indian team. Don't know what you are trying to prove ....
Earlier you had mentioned about some players playing for team etc etc....
Here are the records for you ...
M Amarnath won 12 lost 23
D Vengsarkar ..... won 18 lost 34
Vishwantah ..... won 20 lost 28
S Tendulkar won 63 lost 54
So i will rather have Sachin play for India, then any of the other "team" players ......
GOOD one.
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Originally posted by puttoo
Sachin was the second highest scorer for India is both the series ...... yes he should have done more , but then India had sent 11 players to play ... always keep that in mind.
Agreed, he still deserves a place in the team based on comparative stats with other members, especially in tests.
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Originally posted by puttooEarlier you had mentioned about some players playing for team etc etc....
Here are the records for you ...
M Amarnath won 12 lost 23
D Vengsarkar ..... won 18 lost 34
Vishwantah ..... won 20 lost 28
S Tendulkar won 63 lost 54
So i will rather have Sachin play for India, then any of the other "team" players ......
Different era, different playing culture.
Even so, Sachin did not face the likes of Thomson, Lillee, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Lawson, Marshall(in his prime) etc.
He did not fare well against Ambrose, Bishop, Marshall (in semi-retirement), and that too on drastically slowed down Windies pitches.
For most part he may be a better player than say, Amarnath, Patil, Kapil, but could not match them under pressure situation.
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He did not fare well against Ambrose, Bishop, Marshall (in semi-retirement), and that too on drastically slowed down Windies pitches.
Strange when Sachin plays the fast windies wickets suddenly become slow pitches
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Marshal retired before Sachin played against West Indies ...... he travelled to West Indies in 1997 with Ambrose and Bishop in the team .... as usual he was the second highest run scorer from India .... averaging 57 ..... in my books he fared very well.....
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Originally posted by puttoo
Facts :
Marshal retired before Sachin played against West Indies ...... he travelled to West Indies in 1997 with Ambrose and Bishop in the team .... as usual he was the second highest run scorer from India .... averaging 57 ..... in my books he fared very well.....
Sachin is great against fast bowlers with pot bellies, close to retirement and dying of cancer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGdKDg6l5k
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Originally posted by puttoo
Strange when Sachin plays the fast windies wickets suddenly become slow pitches
He's an excellent player. BFD. However, cricket does not begin or end with Tendulkar. Pitches have deteriorated over the last two decades and run making has become easy, thereby benefiting all batsmen of this era. This is a fact and wouldn't change for even a bit no matter how persecuted Tendulkar fans feel.
One has to be blind as a bat and ill-informed to have not known that. But, I don't think that is the case. It seems more of a case of cherry picking from his record and refusing to let go off the emotional investment made on a player like him.
Whatever makes one happy! Everybody has their crack. Tendulkar worship for some. Beer and strippers are mine.
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For most part he may be a better player than say, Amarnath, Patil, Kapil, but could not match them under pressure situation.
Funny how we remember our cricket ..... please tell me ONE test match that Patil played under pressure and India won .... just ONE will do .........
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