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Originally posted by ramar2005
My case too would be almost identical, but worried about my children and grandchildren becoming victims of the reservation policy being adopted. But we can't help. Each country has its own Achilles heel.
Though I don’t want to go away from the original post, why should u care abt reservation policy? One can study/work without it in India. Private sector has opened up big time, come elections NDA may open up the economy much more. It's the private sector that's fueling the economy.
In our case, we don’t care about reservation as it has never helped us. I came up (study/jobs) without any reservation, be in India or North America. Same thing for my wife in India. My kid is in the college here, no reservation of whatsoever. I know she will never get a govt job in India as she is a Canadian citizen with OCI (and she does not want to work in govt sector in India). So why bother. Life goes on even better without reservation issues.
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Posted on: 05-04-14 04:17:53
Reservation :
Just as there is racial discrimination in Canada, there is reservation policy in India. Mind you, even with the reservation policy (at the current time), seats are not being filled in educational institutions (private) and employers are unable to find employees (this has lessened in 2014 but still far better than Canada).
I am not very much concerned about this reservation policy. I was a BC in Tamil Nadu but I got into a Govt. Engineering college in OC (Open) catagory as I was above the cut off marks for Architectire for BC (Backward caste).
My family members have got admission in schools without their caste being involved. So I am safe till + 2. When they reach +2, if they study well, they will get the best seat, otherwise they will try Canada or join a private institution. You should remember that this may be your family turn to pay for the sins of your forefather's. You can't escape that. May be 3 generations ago, your ancestor would have had an SC/ST for a servant and might have till treated them by paying low salary / cheating them. Now after 100 years, that SC/ST family goes into COmputer science in an Govt. Engg college with 65% marks, whereas your son gets computer science in BITS Pilani with 94 % marks and you spend 10 times more college fees than what is charged for govt. course.
What goes around comes around !!
Peace by Murali
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Posted on: 05-04-14 06:42:32
Ramar :
My city has banned garbage pick up as its landfills are full. You are expected to burn your garbage within your own plot. We still pay taxes to the municipality and it is the Municipality's job to pick and dispose our garbage.
Anyways, some people through the garbage at self designated open plots or corners. Since my house does not have a place to burn the garbage, I throw it at these spots in the middle of the night.
One day the police caught me. Though I could have given a bribe to escape, I accepted the course of the law. I was booked, had a summon and attended a court date. Since everything was done in the local language, I accepted my guilt and paid a fine of Rs 2000.
Why I am saying this is that, every city (in India) has a rule and we need to follow the rule. When people try to circumvent the rule, trouble happens, politicians become involved etc.. But if you just go with the flow and follow laws, trouble can be minimized.
Murali
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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.
You should remember that this may be your family turn to pay for the sins of your forefather's. You can't escape that. May be 3 generations ago, your ancestor would have had an SC/ST for a servant and might have till treated them by paying low salary / cheating them. Now after 100 years, that SC/ST family goes into COmputer science in an Govt. Engg college with 65% marks, whereas your son gets computer science in BITS Pilani with 94 % marks and you spend 10 times more college fees than what is charged for govt. course.
What goes around comes around !!
Even as I wanted to write about the reservation policy, expected the above line of reply.
If what you say is right, then for what happened in II World War, the Jews, Japanese, Germans and Americans should have used all their post war years to take revenge on each other. That they have not done so and spent their time thinking and acting positively is the reason for the economic success of the developed world.
Really applaud your getting seat not under your BC quota, but in Open Competition. But will it not be correct to think scientifically about the excellent opportunities your parents, family, home, teachers and school provided you to excel in studies and replicate the same in more homes and schools. More than the perceived and imagined injustice that my forefathers had done, it is the better environment and importance that parents and teachers create that is responsible for the interest and better performance in studies (of children).
As things stand, more and more communities are protesting for classification as MBC or SC. Congress the now ruling party has promised reservation in private sector too. People get classified, not only in studies but also in employment and promotions, but not essentially on hard work and efficiency. All this does tell on present day India, even though we may not like to face the truth.
Those who want to live in India, should take into account TK and others rational thinking and Karma Theory.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
I am not very much concerned about this reservation policy. I was a BC in Tamil Nadu but I got into a Govt. Engineering college in OC (Open) catagory as I was above the cut off marks for Architectire for BC (Backward caste).
Yeah most of my BC friends says the same thing only.
Just a question, does that mean, to meet the reservation criteria not only you have to be a BC but you must get below cut off marks?
As economy is improving, everyone will get most of the training private/public they want ,lets say if new generation BC students get above cut off marks and then there is reservation for below cut off marks, then all the seats will be taken by BC/OBC/SC/ST/Jats....and so on...
But who cares, as long as it gets the votes they need, it's all good.
Febreet,
I seem to have seen you writing about this couple of times. Do you mind discussing this ?
I am just trying to understand the perspective from your end.
I belong to the same clan that often sells the "Better future for kids" to my extended family 
and I do see there is a miss.
Do you need a new thread as we would be taking the slice from TK's pie...
If Yes, here it is http://canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=35053
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Originally posted by febpreet
I see no reason for people to struggle here in Canada and then complain. Still, they stay back here due to the 'so-called' and 'faux' kids future . One should be ready to go back. These days no one cares, and the age old prestige factor is vanishing by each day as people back home don't have time in their hands. Besides, who cares for others.
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The cowards never started,
The weak died on the way,
Only the strong arrived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK1i9cLAMM
Thanks ramar and TK for your India inputs.
I made up my mind to leave India long back out of helplessness(& disgust) during the relentless Mandal policy implementation. Over the years i had made peace with the reservation policies. I see the same thing here in North america, we just call it by a different name - affirmative action. Reservations might have pushed poor kids to an higher orbit but there are children of IAS officers who still misuse the SC/ST benefits for their personal gains. e.g. Devyani Khobragade etc.
But, it would definitely reopen old wounds if my children were to disadvantaged for no fault of theirs. For me, this would be the main reason that makes me want to stay back in Canada.
