Why People Struggle in Canada?


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Garvo Gujarati   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 09:51:41

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BEAUTIFUL COMMENT

Of all the IT people immigrating to Canada, Indian IT personnel have the worst ethics, worst professional standards, the worst documentation skills, who cannot design/architect anything and who mis-represent their experience the most. A 10-15 min talk can reveal all the fraudulent experience out. I have talked, met numerous IT personnel from india and interacted with them. No wonder indian IT personnel struggle here in Canada. I am extremely careful in hiring indian IT folks for myself or for my clients.




Smash, you might be right. You might have came across people who are not looking IT Professionals as per your gauges. It doesn't mean that indian IT professionals do not have the skills to do their job efficiently. What do you think the companies all over world having offices in India doing? Are they hiring people from Canada? They are all Indians dear friend. So there is no point saying this statement.

Having said that, I agree with you one way. There are people fits the bill you described. Having many skills mentioned in their resume but no deep knowledge. When you try to speak with them you realize the situaion and I AGREE with you, they are not suppose to get any job in Canada. But it is not a problem with people. The resume agents or friends ask to write everything in their resume and so the story begins...

Please be careful. There are so many Indain IT professionals doing good jobs here. Many from this board.


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Garvo Gujarati   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 09:54:28

Often I come across a call from stranger for helping. When I ask what are your IT skills? , manytime I get answer "I can do everything" :( (In gujarati baddhuj!)

And the problem starts - I understand that this person is going do any job but not IT.

I don't call them IT Professionals


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smash   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 12:24:38

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Orginally posted by Garvo Gujarati

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Orginally posted by smash

The resume agents you are referring to are fly by night operators.
Well where did the people's minds/conscience go if someone asks you to cook up your resume?
They might be doing good jobs in their opinion but how they got the job in the first place is open to plenty of debate.
Indian professionals are few and far between in canada anyways. . Lot of them come with a weird attitude thinking that they are the best and people will have to come and give them the jobs just because they worked in US. They somehow pass 3 years of living here, apply for citizenship and then go back to the US. Canada doesnt need these kind of people at all because they donot give anything back to this country.

Canadian employers arent stupid to know that most of the people coming from US are coming here only because they didnt get their green card and who come here out of no other alternatives other than going back to india. The employers figure that if i hire these people, they are going to quit my firm the moment they get the canadian passport. That leaves them with no incentive to hire even though some may be good enough to hire. It costs a lot of money to replace a person and companies here are more careful to see on whom they should invest for the long term.

The less the said about H1B's, it is better. H1B refers to a category where the people are very highly skilled in their discipline. I know tons of H1B's who absolutely have no experience, falsify their resumes and do a horrible job. Very very few H1B's are talented if any and majority of them are mediocre at best. I am sure everyone has their own horror story about H1B's. The worst one i came across was there was an individual who would even change his name, change his resume, get submitted to positions even for the same client, then the client finds that they have seen this before and get rid of the person and the agent. (Everyone knows most of the indian companies have no direct clients, they are just body shops which includes wipro, tcs and infosys as well).



smash   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 12:30:38

Smash, you might be right. You might have came across people who are not looking IT Professionals as per your gauges. It doesn't mean that indian IT professionals do not have the skills to do their job efficiently. What do you think the companies all over world having offices in India doing? Are they hiring people from Canada? They are all Indians dear friend. So there is no point saying this statement.

My friend, most of the work they do in india is enhancements, maintenance, data conversion which is low level work at best. You can count on your fingers the number of indian companies who have a genuine IT product which they architected from the ground up.



smash   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 12:33:42

Were you aware that you posted this comment on a site designed, created and professionally as well as ethically maintained by an Indian IT guy immigrated to Canada?


Blue,

It is nice to know that this site developer is ethical and as you would know as well these kind of people are very few and far between



DesiTiger   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 14:32:32

Dear Smash,

Your tone sounds quite resentful. Are you a Canadian who lost a job to an Indian or are you one of those Canadian born Indians who just won't accept their Desi heritage? Maybe You are a frustrated Desi who feels that you are more qualified than most people working in the IT field in better positions. If you are none of these, then you need to check your tone cuz thats what you sound like. No Hard Feelings, Just Curious.

:D

DT


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Chor_Per_Mor   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-03 14:54:16

I think Smash is quite right when he says that IT pros from india misrepresent their experience and think they are the best.
I also agree that Canada has no place for people who come from US just to get papers and then migrate back. That, however, is a reality...migration to greener pastures can not be stopped.
But to say that Indian IT pros have poor skills and standards is funny in my opinion. Poor ethics, to some extent, is true, being pushy is true as well but mostly fit very well and in fact are an examplery employee most of the time.
Of course there are rotten apples here and there.


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