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Originally posted by rajand
Why is it that so many people who are doing good in other countries (not only India) have to struggle so hard in Canada?
Even after going to immigration aid centres & resume centres here, I did not get more than 1 interview in a job which I was interested in (although a lower designation). The importance of a good resume is paramount whether it is US, Canada or India. I did customize my resume as per the requirements of the job.
Recently one of my contacts who migrated here from Gulf got an job in computer sales as an Account Manager. The salary he is getting is about half than what others are getting in his company for the same kind of job. He was told that since he does not have Canadian experience & contacts in that field, he will get less pay. Many other companies did not offer him a job since they found him over-qualified after they asked him the pay he was getting in Gulf.
I had read an article a few months back in the Calgary Herald or Calgary Sun which mentioned the story of a taxi-driver in Canada. He was a petroleum engineer working with British Gas in the Gulf & yet when he came to Canada, he was told that he was not good enough. The article mentioned that how come he was good for British Gas & not good enough for Canada.
Rgds.
well he doesn't have the softskills. U have to know how to say the "eh" perfectly. Pardon, excuse me doesn't work. U should know how to shake hands the Canadian way. U shouldn't smell of cooking or perfumes (though it doesn't matter the other way round that the breath of ur interviewer might be stinking of fish which he/shes's trying to hide using mint gums)
Learn to iron ur clothes the canadian way. Too much british way means ur rejected. Don't say u like Tea, say u love coffee and yes polish their asses a bit u'll get a job
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Originally posted by rajand
Why is it that so many people who are doing good in other countries (not only India) have to struggle so hard in Canada?
Even after going to immigration aid centres & resume centres here, I did not get more than 1 interview in a job which I was interested in (although a lower designation). The importance of a good resume is paramount whether it is US, Canada or India. I did customize my resume as per the requirements of the job.
Recently one of my contacts who migrated here from Gulf got an job in computer sales as an Account Manager. The salary he is getting is about half than what others are getting in his company for the same kind of job. He was told that since he does not have Canadian experience & contacts in that field, he will get less pay. Many other companies did not offer him a job since they found him over-qualified after they asked him the pay he was getting in Gulf.
I had read an article a few months back in the Calgary Herald or Calgary Sun which mentioned the story of a taxi-driver in Canada. He was a petroleum engineer working with British Gas in the Gulf & yet when he came to Canada, he was told that he was not good enough. The article mentioned that how come he was good for British Gas & not good enough for Canada.
Rgds.
rajand totally agree that building a good resume is important, but that doesn't mean ppl. in other countries don't know how to make one. Doesn't mean that employers in other countries don't know what a good resume looks like. But apparently the problem out here is that it doesn't matter, ur resume is bad because ur from another country.
Lets' do a study, What % of resumes of immigrants is acceptable.
as that's what Canadians love to do. Why immigrants can't get jobs, Why immigrants are facing problems, how to solve these problems.Do the Canadians realize how much money has been wasted on these studies since the 80's but there has been no outcome what soever. They are happy to pay the taxpayers money to these idiots, but not to tie up with employers and figure out what is required and what not before they immigrate.
Great discussion.
Let me add a few of my points.
This resume, interview, etc is not limited to immigrants alone. Agreed. But let me give you my example. I got in a job a few months back. The usual routine of resume and a couple of interviews later I was hired. It was an entry-level job. When I started my job I met quite a few individuals and wondered how they got this job. It is another matter that they did not last long. But the point is in spite of all these barriers how did they get into the job. One reason could be even a desperation on the part of the employer to fill in vacancies for various reasons – but the point is than why this ‘hungama’ about resume and interview skills. I was asked questions on teamwork, inter-personal skills and adaptability. And again I found that many people who worked there lacked those but continued to work there just because they performed and delivered results. So the whole process of interview becomes – you scratch mine, I scratch yours. Just say what the interviewer wants to listen – whether at the bottom of your heart you mean it or not.
Is this the way you can identify talent? I have interviewed scores of candidates in India. I have not rejected someone just because I do not like his resume. Lets say I was interviewing some one for a technical job. Frankly I expect good communication skills but not what it requires from marketing or an advertising person. So what if the resume is not perfect. I remember hiring a person for a very basic job back home because my intuition told me he was good. Now he is doing wonderfully well.
In an interview I had gone for a few months back, the first question was ‘Do you have Canadian Experience’? And before I could answer he went on saying why this job needs someone with Canadian experience and blah, blah. I have been taught to exercise restraint and this is a new country for me else I would have really told him what professionalism is. So it was in the beginning of the interview that I was told you are not getting the job. The second person on the panel was kind enough to ask a few questions so that I had feel as if they conducted an interview.
At least I found some place where I could vent out my feelings. I feel lighter now.
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Originally posted by Iceberg
Great discussion.
Let me add a few of my points.
This resume, interview, etc is not limited to immigrants alone. Agreed. But let me give you my example. I got in a job a few months back. The usual routine of resume and a couple of interviews later I was hired. It was an entry-level job. When I started my job I met quite a few individuals and wondered how they got this job. It is another matter that they did not last long. But the point is in spite of all these barriers how did they get into the job. One reason could be even a desperation on the part of the employer to fill in vacancies for various reasons – but the point is than why this ‘hungama’ about resume and interview skills. I was asked questions on teamwork, inter-personal skills and adaptability. And again I found that many people who worked there lacked those but continued to work there just because they performed and delivered results. So the whole process of interview becomes – you scratch mine, I scratch yours. Just say what the interviewer wants to listen – whether at the bottom of your heart you mean it or not.
Is this the way you can identify talent? I have interviewed scores of candidates in India. I have not rejected someone just because I do not like his resume. Lets say I was interviewing some one for a technical job. Frankly I expect good communication skills but not what it requires from marketing or an advertising person. So what if the resume is not perfect. I remember hiring a person for a very basic job back home because my intuition told me he was good. Now he is doing wonderfully well.
In an interview I had gone for a few months back, the first question was ‘Do you have Canadian Experience’? And before I could answer he went on saying why this job needs someone with Canadian experience and blah, blah. I have been taught to exercise restraint and this is a new country for me else I would have really told him what professionalism is. So it was in the beginning of the interview that I was told you are not getting the job. The second person on the panel was kind enough to ask a few questions so that I had feel as if they conducted an interview.
At least I found some place where I could vent out my feelings. I feel lighter now.
Totally agree
Another major spending is on the organizations who claim to better your resume and improve your interview skills and even talk of placing you in your field. How many people have got a meaningful placement out of these so called assistance organizations. I am sure the percentage is very less. Then why is this kind of money being spent? My resume was looked at by one such organization and I have not received any interview call based on that resume ever.
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Do the Canadians realize how much money has been wasted on these studies since the 80's but there has been no outcome what soever. They are happy to pay the taxpayers money to these idiots, but not to tie up with employers and figure out what is required and what not before they immigrate.
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 15-03-06 19:23:23
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Originally posted by babail
rajand totally agree that building a good resume is important, but that doesn't mean ppl. in other countries don't know how to make one. Doesn't mean that employers in other countries don't know what a good resume looks like. But apparently the problem out here is that it doesn't matter, ur resume is bad because ur from another country.
Lets' do a study, What % of resumes of immigrants is acceptable.
Do the Canadians realize how much money has been wasted on these studies since the 80's but there has been no outcome what soever. They are happy to pay the taxpayers money to these idiots, but not to tie up with employers and figure out what is required and what not before they immigrate.
I know that I cannot change your view on this subject..thus this will be my last post here. I will say however that it is not just immigrants that may require new resumes. Making resumes isnt a innate ability and everyone can learn something new (including employment counsellors!
Your words relay a deep anger at the system.
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I know that I cannot change your view on this subject..thus this will be my last post here. I will say however that it is not just immigrants that may require new resumes. Making resumes isnt a innate ability and everyone can learn something new (including employment counsellors!
Your words relay a deep anger at the system.
Can I change ur's. Well the question is who can say which is the right resume. .
Used to have a lot of anger. Now its only about telling and informing other ppl. who are trying to come here. I prefer that they should know what they might land into. When u have lost everything else, anger goes off too. Now it's just about passing time and helping others
