Why to ashame being INDIAN?

The people who are doing such act called TERRORISM,
they should be ASHAMED

If India shows some courage & little OFFENSIVE
everything will STOP soon

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Originally posted by Kanya


Ashamed to be Indian

May be Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab & Hariyana should separate from India. Delhi has failed to protect Indians. Why is rest of India fighting Kashmir battle?

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E mere vatan ke logo.............

If you want to do something for our country, just dont support corruption or be part of it

Hi Mgupta,

1.do you hold an Indian or Canadian passport?Just out of interest.
2. If India were to go to war with Canada, who would you back?

These questions are for any CDs who wish to reply.

Interesting question investpro....

I still hold Indian passport and has no intention of giving it up. I may take Canadian citizenship only if India allows full dual citizenship.

And as for War, I am against all wars ... we need to follow Gandhiji in that sense... A country which obtained freedom by non-violence should not be even thinking of violence....

In the current context, India can do lots to pressurize Pak.. can even cut off water to Eastern region, economic embargo, intl pressure etc. India is a much larger market and economy. It can - in a way - buy international alignment by refusing to trade with any particular country if they don't back India. All we need is good political leadership and rooting out corruption. I had much hope in Vajpayee, but probably due to Coalition politics, nothing much happened... May be some one else will come up tomorrow.

We must follow the Israelis in eleminating terrorists. The Munich, Entebbe and numerous other episodes happened when I was in school and college. We always used to admire their spirit to fight back. At the same time, India and newspapers like The Hindu of these days used to condemn Isreali action just to appease the Arab world. For all that, we were not even admitted to OIC even though we carried the largest muslim population. One minister in Indira's cabinet was shut out of the OIC, bag and baggage, when he went to attend the conference during her tenure. Nothing has changed much with regard to appeasement. The question of Kashmir is only a facade put up by the Pakistani army to hide their predatory instincts. The Kashmiri muslims are better off and will be better off in India.
It is all humbug to say all this is happening because of Kashmir. For the last 20 years atleast Mumbai and India are suffering at the hands of the terrorists and mobsters. It was Haji Mastan, Yusuf Patel, Bakia etc, during Indira's emergenccy days. Now there are some other names. Nothing has changed, even though it is now my son's college days. Now it is his turn to be a mute witness. It is highly unlikely, the defacto minister for stock market in India, who is holding the Home portfolio will do anything to cause another slide in the already dismal show of the sensex. Nor will he allow anything to happen to the Congress vote bank. But unless we change our tactic and adopt a different method, this menace is not going to end. It is really sickening to hear oldie govt heads, one after another come to the podium and speak "Pakistan must dismantle its infrastructure of terrorist camps" without doing precious little in action.

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Pretty well known figure in the journalist circuit


By Amaresh Misra
>
> 03 December, 2008
> Countercurrents.org
>
> Now who has the last laugh? That is the question; I only have pity for
> those who cannot see reality and who were so glib to buy into what the
> media and political troubleshooters were saying about the Mumbai
> terrorist attacks.
>
> Consider this:
>
> As a BBC report notes, at least some of the Mumbai attackers were not
> Indian and certainly not Muslim.Pappu Mishra, a cafe proprietor at the
> gothic Victorian Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station,
> described "two sprightly young men dressed in black" with AK47s who
> were "foreign looking, fair skinned."Gaffar Abdul Amir, an Iraqi
> tourist from Baghdad, saw at least two men who started the firing
> outside the Leopold Cafe. "They did not look Indian, they looked
> foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a
> punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed," Amir told the BBC.
>
> According to Andrew G. Marshall, the ISI "has long been referred to as
> Pakistan's 'secret government' or 'shadow state.' It's long-standing
> ties and reliance upon American and British intelligence have not let
> up, therefore actions taken by the ISI should be viewed in the context
> of being a Central Asian outpost of Anglo-American covert intelligence
> operations."The presence of "foreign looking, fair skinned" commandos
> who calmly gunned down dozens of people after drinking a few beers
> indicates that the Mumbai attacks were likely the work of the
> Anglo-American covert intelligence operatives, not indigenous Indian
> Muslims or for that matter Arab al-Qaeda terrorists. The attacks
> prepare the ground for the break-up of Pakistan and the furtherance of
> destabilizing terrorism in the Middle East and Asia. The Mumbai
> attacks had little to do with India or the relationship between Muslim
> Pakistanis and Hindu Indians."Pakistan's position as a strategic focal
> point cannot be underestimated. It borders India, Afghanistan, China
> and Iran," concludes Marshall. "Destabilizing and ultimately breaking
> Pakistan up into several countries or regions will naturally spread
> chaos and destabilization into neighboring countries. This is also
> true of Iraq on the other side of Iran, as the Anglo-American have
> undertaken, primarily through Iraq, a strategy of balkanizing the
> entire Middle East in a new imperial project." (See Marshall's Divide
> and Conquer: The Anglo-American Imperial Project.)
>
> Now I ask specifically: WHO HAS EGG ON THE FACE? MY DETRACTORS OR ME?
>
> Andrew Marshall is a respected author; he is clearly saying here that
> terrorists looked like Anglo-American covert operatives and that the
> entire Mumbai operation was an attempt by Anglo-American forces to
> destabilize India and push it further into the Israel-US orbit.
> Marshall also says that Americans are keen to dismember Pakistan--it
> is clear that in this project, America needs India as a firm ally--it
> cannot afford Indo-Pak friendship at least on a long-term basis. The
> Mumbai attack thus was multi-layered--and one of the reasons could be
> to warn India that the Anglo-American elite has the power to penetrate
> India, with the help of its own people. Clearly, the attackers would
> not have come from the sea route without some kind of a connivance of
> Gujarat and Maharashtra Governments with the terrorists, and the
> connivance of RSS type Hindutva elements as I will prove later in the
> piece.
>
> This afore-mentioned report appeared on the BBC, a news agency which
> pro-west, Muslim-haters and all NRIs love to see. NOW I ASK THESE
> PEOPLE: why are you adopting double standards? Now a BBC report is
> incovenient because it militates against your idea of what happened in
> Mumbai?
>
> Even the Indian Government is aware of this reality. That is why it is
> not issuing statements in a hurry and that is why the kind of
> Islamo-phobia seen earlier after Bomb Blasts is not being seen now.
>
> A second report is more shocking--some news channels captured it but
> then it went off air:
>
> One Police officer who encountered the gunmen as they entered the
> Jewish Center (Nariman House) said the attackers were white. "I went
> into the building late last night" he said. "I got a shock because
> they were white. I was expecting them to look like us. They fired
> three shots. I fired 10 back".
>
> The Nariman House affair brings the Mossad angle to the fore. Two of
> the `hostages' killed in the Narimam House were identified as Rabbi
> Gabreil Holtzberg and his wife Rivka. They ran the center as
> spokespersons of the Chabad Lubavitch movement.
>
> Now the Chabad movement is one of the many sects within Israel and
> Judaism. But of late it has come under the Zionist influence. Now what
> is Zionism? A brief digression would suffice: Zionism is the political
> ideology of racist Jews, just like Hindutva is the political ideology
> of a section of `race conscious' Hindus. Just as a majority of
> Sanatani Hindus have opposed Hindutva, a majority of Jews oppose
> Zionism and its fascist-anti-religious tone.
>
> In opposition to the teachings of Judaism, the orthodox Jew religion,
> Zionists want to dominate the world; they see the `Jewish race' as the
> most important, almost divine, race in the world. Zionists are opposed
> to democracy and even the concept of naitonhood. Zionists believe in
> creating murder and mayhem as a matter of policy.
>
> In America, Zionists have entered into an alliance with the American
> elites--the White-Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) forces--which rule
> America. The reasons for this alliance lie in the way the Zionist
> agenda matches with that of the American corporate and WASP elite and
> is beyind the scope of this article.
>
> People who do not understand Zionism will never be able to understand
> what happened in Mumbai.
>
> Back to members of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement killed at Nariman
> House--people have asked how come the Rabbi and his wife were killed
> if Mossad is involved in the Mumbai terror attack?
>
> The answer to this is being forwarded by Jewish anti-Zionist websites.
> They also detail the sectarian history of the Chabad-Lubavitch
> movement:
>
>
> The attack on Mumbai spotlights the ultra-orthodox (haredi)
> Chabad-Lubavitch community and its international outreach network.
> When Chabad outreach (keruv) started in the 1950s, it seemed rather
> intellectually dishonest because the organization used nostalgia for a
> never-existent Jewish past as a hook to enmesh secular or secularized
> Jews in ultra-orthodox (haredi) practice as hozrim bitshuvah
> (returnees, sometimes improperly called baalei tshuvah), but on the
> whole the activity was mostly harmless in contrast with current Chabad
> activities, which long ago crossed the border into dangerous
> territory.
>
> As the Lubavitcher organization has become larger and wealthier --
> partially because mobilization for keruv has brought large
> contributions, members have shown a propensity for corruption.
>
> Yet, the Lubavitchers have worked closely with Jewish racists like
> Lawrence Summers and Alan Dershowitz in the ongoing attempt to control
> discourse on American campuses. The wealthy Russian Lubavitcher hozer
> bitshuvah Lev Leviev openly supports Zionist terrorism and settlement
> building in the Palestinan occupied territories. Possibly because of
> Leviev Chabad-Lubavitch has openly become involved in Putin's
> struggles with Russian Jewish oligarchs.
>
> Still, there is an even more sinister aspect to the Lubavitcher organization.
>
> Because Lubavitcher outreach offices are located in some of the most
> important political, corporate and university centers throughout the
> world, the Lubavitchers have put together a network that is
> incomparable for corporate and international espionage as well as for
> the secret exchange of information. Because Chabad Houses could
> potentially act as safe houses, where there would be no record of a
> person's stay.
>
> Most people do not take the Lubavitchers seriously, but I have visited
> Chabad houses and encountered senior Israeli government or military
> officials (and probably intelligence agents). One can easily imagine
> that Neocon intelligentsia trying to develop a relationship with
> Hindutva (?????????) intelligentsia or politicians might have used the
> Chabad Nariman House as a meeting place.
>
> Here a Jew is saying that he has visited Chabad houses and that he has
> seen covert operations going on and the involvement of senior
> Government and military officials of Israel. This Jew writer is also
> talking openly about a Neo-Con-Chabad-Hindutva tie-up!
>
> The Jew writer mentions the Mossad involvement in Chabad Houses:
>
>
> Because the Lubavitchers provide an unconditional welcome to all Jews
> in the hope of bringing them closer to the Lubavitcher way of life,
> the Lubavitchers have been open to potential subversion by Israeli
> intelligence organizations. Mossad and Shin Bet found it quite easy to
> penetrate the haredi community during the Yossele Affair. Jewish
> politics has often involved infiltration and subversion of one
> political group by another. The David Project Israel Advocacy
> organization has used its educational programs as a means to
> infiltrate more mainstream Jewish communal organizations with radical
> Islamophobes and Jabotinskian Zionists.
>
> To Zionize haredi groups that practice outreach, the Israeli
> government need only give encouragement to Zionistically indoctrinated
> Hebrew-speaking young people to participate in outreach programs, and
> in a few years the targeted haredi community is thoroughly enmeshed in
> Zionist thinking while Israeli intelligence organizations have a new
> crop of saya`nim in place ready to serve in Zionist covert operations.
>
> What is a sayanim? Go to the link
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayanim and it states that "Sayanim
> (Hebrew: "helpers" is a term used to describe Jews living outside
> Israel who volunteer to provide assistance to the Mossad.[1] This
> assistance includes facilitating medical care, money, logistics, and
> even overt intelligence gathering, yet sayanim are only paid for their
> expenses. No official number is known, but estimates put the number of
> sayanim in the thousands. The existence of this large body of
> volunteers is one reason why the Mossad operates with fewer case
> officers than fellow intelligence agencies"
>
> Now back to the link
>
> http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/12/
> chabad-lubavitch-dangerous-game.html
>
> from which I was quoting the Jewish writer originally. He says that
> the Lubavitcher shluchim (outreach emissaries) Gavriel Noach and Rivka
> Holtzberg fit the `sayanim' profile to a "T" -- especially Rivkah.
>
> So the two people killed in Nariman House fit the Sayanim, that is
> Jews outside Israel who volunteer to provide assistance to Mossad,
> profile!
>
> NOW WHAT OTHER PROOF DO YOU WANT?
>
> The Jewish writer of the afore-mentioned link himself asks the
> question: WOULD MOSSAD HAVE KILLED THE RABBI AND HIS WIFE IN NARIMAN
> HOUSE?
> AND HE PROVIDES THE ANSWER:
>
> Zionists have always used dead Jews to build sympathy for Zionist
> goals and as cover for Zionist crimes against humanity.
>
> Ben-Gurion explicitly stated that he would sacrifice German Jewish
> children for the sake of Zionism while the Zionist leadership probably
> learned the benefit of sacrificing Zionist operatives from the 1946
> Kielce Pogrom. In this incident (Jewish) Soviet and Zionist agents
> probably worked together to make sure that surviving Polish Jews chose
> emigration to Palestine over a return to Poland.
>
> Because the Kielce Zionist recruiters were killed during the pogrom,
> the events leading up to the pogrom was rendered forever unobtainable.
>
> Some reports of the Mumbai attack indicate that the Holtzbergs rented
> space to the attack planners over the past few months and thereby
> helped make the operation far more effective.
>
> An opportunity to interrogate the Holtzbergs would have helped
> investigators immensely.
>
> AGAIN WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
>
>
> Another piece of massive evidence: In a telephone interview with CBC
> News from outside the Center (Nariman House), freelance journalists
> Arun Asthana said that there are reports that some of the militants
> had stayed at a guest house there (Nariman House) for upto 15 days
> before the attack. "They had a huge mass of ammunition, arms and food
> there", Asthana said.
>
> Now other reports have also confirmed that a huge mass of food was
> ordered by the residents of the Nariman House. This food was enough
> for 30-40 people for several days. Why was this amount of food
> ordered? Also why was Nariman House not assaulted till the very last?
> A Gujarati Hindu resident of Mumbai came onto TV on CNN-IBN to say at
> around 3.30 AM or so, that for two months suspicious activities wree
> going in Nariman House. A lot of foreigners were seen coming in and
> going out. This matter was reported to the Police. But no one took
> action.
>
> The CNN-IBN did not repeat the news; then it was only when the common
> people of Mumbai threatened to storm the Nariman House the NSG
> commandos were moved in--why this delay in assaulting Nariman House
> when only two terrorists were holed in there?
>
> This is sheer official complicity and nothing else--AN INVESTIGATION
> INTO THE WHOLE NARIMAN HOUSE AFFAIR IS A MUST.
>
>
>
> Then it was reported that " somehow surprising to learn that the
> terrorists in Cama hospital in Mumbai were fluently speaking Marathi.
> The terrorists who are said to have fired in Cama hospital talked to
> an employee clad in civil dress in Marathi, reports a Marathi daily
> 'Maharashtra Times'.
>
> The newspaper said the terrorists who targeted ATS chief Hemant
> Karkare, police commissioner Ashok Kamte and encounter specialist
> Vijay Salaskar were speaking Marathi fluently.
>
> The newspaper claims the terrorists having fired at two watchmen in
> uniform asked the other beside them on gunpoint in Marathi, 'You are
> here an employee?' The employee caught the legs of the terrorist and
> said, 'I am not working here. My wife has suffered from heart attack
> and I have come here to admit her.' The terrorist asked him again in
> Marathi, 'You are speaking true or false?' The employee answered, 'No,
> by God I am speaking true.'
> On this the terrorist let him go.
>
> NOW WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THAT? Another report says that traditional Jews
> of Mumbai who have migrated to Israel speak fluent Marathi and are
> known to have been recruited by Mossad!
>
> The death of Hemant Karkare remains a mystery. All official versions
> are contradictory: some say he was killed near CST, some that he died
> near Cama hospital, some near Metro cinema, and some that he was
> killed while in a Police jeep. Also, where did the bullet hit him?
> Some say on the neck and some near the heart. Karkare was shown on TV
> wearing a bullet proof vest--he could not have been shot in neck in
> that case, unless there was a sniper waiting for him.
>
> Also if he was shot near heart, then when did he take out his vest? No
> one has even bothered to answer this question. Also, another facet is
> coming to light: that Karkare was killed near Cama--but Kaamte and
> Salaskar in the Metro shootout!
>
> Intelligent people--what do you have to say now? It is becoming obvious that...
>
>
> 1. Several terrorists might have been white
>
> 2. Were they International mercanaries? If yes, then from which
> country? Who collected them? It is well known that Mossad and CIA have
> several mercenary organizations, including so-called Jihadi ones on
> their list. They create Jihad and manipulate Muslims disaffected by
> the Islamophobia in the world. Some of them might have been used in
> the Mumbai attack. But why were they carrying American, British,
> Mauritian and Malaysian passports?
>
> 3. Who were the Marathi speaking Karkare killers? The lane next to the
> Cama Hospital is a deserted one--it goes straight to the backyard of
> the Mumbai CID Headquarters. Anonymous sources in the Police have
> revealed that Karkare was taken there, by a joint team of
> anti-Karkare, pro-Hindutva Mumbai Police officers, and Chota Rajan
> men. Now Karkare was opposed to Chota Rajan. Salaskar was anti-Pradeep
> Sharma, another Mumbai senior Police officer now in jail, for working
> as Rajan's shooter. So the Marathi speaking terrorists could either
> have been Jews with some connection to Mumbai--or hired killers of the
> Hindutva brigade or men of Chota Rajan.
>
> 4. It seems that several things went on simultaneously--the Mahrashtra
> Chief Minister Vilas Rao Deshmukh was in Kerala when the Mumbai attack
> began at 9.30 PM on 26th November. Then by 11PM Deshmukh had informed
> the Home Minister Shivraj Patil--the latter has started proceedings to
> send the NSG Commandos. So Deshmukh knew about what was happening by
> 11PM--then why was there no Mumbai Police on various locations between
> 9.30 and 1am, the time when Karkare arrived? The Mumbai ATS is a
> separate organization. it does not lead the Mumbai Police. So the
> 40,000 strong Mumbai Police was absent from the scene of action
> between 11pm to 1am and then Karkare arrived and he was killed along
> with his men!
>
> Isn't there something fishy here? Obviously the Mumbai Police was kept
> deliberately away between 11pm and 1am, the time period when
> terrorists were killing people merrily. Then Karkare must have been
> told--and he went there expecting Mumbai police personals to be
> there--but there were none or only a few! And he was killed!
>
> Amaresh Misra is a freelance writer, historian and poet. He is the
> author of Mangal Pandey: The True Story of an Indian Revolutionary;
> Lucknow: Fire of Grace: The Story of Its Renaissance, Revolution and
> the Aftermath, and more recently War of Civilizations: The Road to
> Delhi and The Long Revolution. He can be contacted on
> misra.amaresh@gmail.com
>
>
>

He seems to be reading too many fictional books about political and military plots...

There are bound to be many more such theories as time passes and people have more wierd dreams...and known writers trying to influence thier line of thought and logic...should send these scripts to RGV etc..

Hiren