Posted on: 02-11-04 18:57:13
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
[Our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents had much better immune systems that we have now.
There were no vaccines during their times, yet they enjoyed much better health than we do.
http://mac-huwis.lut.ac.uk/~wis/papers/ProcRCollPhysEdinb1999.html
Conclusion
From the Palaeolithic to the late Mediaeval period the mean life expecancy of humans increased from between 20 and 30 years to 30 to 40 years. Exceptions are that kings, aristocrats and other wealthy individuals lived almost as long as current political, professional, and commercial leaders. Between the 17th century and the late 18th and early 19th century the mean life expectancy had increased to between 40 and 50 years. Thereafter, it has increased rapidly to between 55 and 60 in the 1950s, 60 to 70 in the 1960s, and 70 to 80 years in 1995. There seems little doubt that a general improvement in the health of individuals will further increase the mean life expectancy of most countries. If there is a breakthrough in the extension of maximum life span, the questions may be whether anyone will want to live to be 200 years old, and whether we should concentrate on prolonging the lives of the few in a world where many people continue to suffer from poverty, hunger, plague and warfare.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
No, I do not agree with any of the things you have said. I am indeed amazed at your ignorance. The websites you have cited are nothing but crap.
Well, I don't give a hoot whether you agree or not.
I was merely stating my point of view, and what I believe to be facts.
You are displaying "amazing ignorance" if you are calling research by the Weston A. Price Foundation as "crap".
You obviously have no idea who they are, and why their work is important.
This was just a sample of the information out there.
If you care enough and are willing to spend the time, I encourage you to investigate on your own.
If you don't care, then I don't lose anything.
It is your health and as an adult, you have the right to build it, or trash it.
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And I do not want to waste my energy discussing this subject with you. Though I don't really wish it to happen but you leave me with no option but to say - May you get the flu again and again to develop more and more immunity! God bless!
And may you keep pumping vaccine after vaccine into your body, keep poisoning your mind and body with lead, mercury, and a coctail of dead viruses.
Eat junk food, get sick, take antibiotics and rejoice in the "medical advances" that give us the disease and the cure.
God Bless!
An admirable commentary, Jake.
However, this has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines and their effectiveness.
There were no vaccines existing for the most part in the time period that you are citing.
Increasing life expectancy has nothing to do with vaccines.
In any case, my point against the vaccines is the presence of toxic heavy metals and other harmful compunds in them.
On another level, they also promote the destruction of the benefic bacteria in the human gut.
Our ancestors (in India and other countries) have from several generations past maintained good health without the use of vaccines.
A lot of that knowledge is sadly lost to us now, never to be recovered again.
But that doesn't mean that we should submit ourselves to a life of medication and vaccination and not endevor to re-discover those traditional ways of eating, healing, and maintaining balance with nature.
N uf said.
Agree or disagree - your health is your problem.
Deal with it the way you think best.
I am off to buy shares of some big pharma companies - with you guys around, I'll be making a lot of money
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Conclusion
From the Palaeolithic to the late Mediaeval period the mean life expecancy of humans increased from between 20 and 30 years to 30 to 40 years. Exceptions are that kings, aristocrats and other wealthy individuals lived almost as long as current political, professional, and commercial leaders. Between the 17th century and the late 18th and early 19th century the mean life expectancy had increased to between 40 and 50 years. Thereafter, it has increased rapidly to between 55 and 60 in the 1950s, 60 to 70 in the 1960s, and 70 to 80 years in 1995. There seems little doubt that a general improvement in the health of individuals will further increase the mean life expectancy of most countries. If there is a breakthrough in the extension of maximum life span, the questions may be whether anyone will want to live to be 200 years old, and whether we should concentrate on prolonging the lives of the few in a world where many people continue to suffer from poverty, hunger, plague and warfare.
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
No, I do not agree with any of the things you have said. I am indeed amazed at your ignorance. The websites you have cited are nothing but crap.
Well, I don't give a hoot whether you agree or not.
I was merely stating my point of view, and what I believe to be facts.
You are displaying "amazing ignorance" if you are calling research by the Weston A. Price Foundation as "crap".
You obviously have no idea who they are, and why their work is important.
This was just a sample of the information out there.
If you care enough and are willing to spend the time, I encourage you to investigate on your own.
If you don't care, then I don't lose anything.
It is your health and as an adult, you have the right to build it, or trash it.
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And I do not want to waste my energy discussing this subject with you. Though I don't really wish it to happen but you leave me with no option but to say - May you get the flu again and again to develop more and more immunity! God bless!
And may you keep pumping vaccine after vaccine into your body, keep poisoning your mind and body with lead, mercury, and a coctail of dead viruses.
Eat junk food, get sick, take antibiotics and rejoice in the "medical advances" that give us the disease and the cure.
God Bless!
Its amazing how discussions go on CD.. I love to read arguments like this.. but the fact remains.. In developed nations the life expectancy is high because of advancements in medical technology..
Its also a fact that old people in villages of India who never had any vaccines live longer than people in Indian cities who regularly do health checks and get all kinds of preventive medications..
Its also a fact that whole of villages in India have been wiped off because of certain diseases for which vaccines were available in western and developed nations.. All the good immune system can fall prey to a single malicious virus...
Prevention is Better Than Cure ..
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Quote:True on a general level.
Orginally posted by dfwrp
Its amazing how discussions go on CD.. I love to read arguments like this.. but the fact remains.. In developed nations the life expectancy is high because of advancements in medical technology..
However, the medical establishment in both developed and developing countries now-a-days has little to do with the actual science (and art) of medication and healing.
It has more to do with the politics and economics of the land, the sponsors, investors, vested interests, etc.
This is mostly what guides research into modern diseases like heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc.
And yes, even vaccines and their supposed effectiveness.
Quote:Not just in India, but in other parts of the world, too.
Its also a fact that old people in villages of India who never had any vaccines live longer than people in Indian cities who regularly do health checks and get all kinds of preventive medications..
From remote fishing communities in Norway and Iceland, to the Inuits in our own Canada, to remote isolated "pre-industrial age" people in Africa, Australia, small farming communties in the Phillipines, and so on.
They understand the balance between man and nature, the relationship between an advanced living thing as man, and a small living thing as benefic bacteria, insects, etc.
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Its also a fact that whole of villages in India have been wiped off because of certain diseases for which vaccines were available in western and developed nations.. All the good immune system can fall prey to a single malicious virus...
Sure, if you introduce an alien virus like this, this will happen.
We need to investigate the origin of these diseases, rather than finding newer and more potent drugs to kill these off, thereby killing off part of ourselves too.
Quote:Sure, but what happens when the so-called prevention begets more disease and the cure becomes worse than the disease itself?
Prevention is Better Than Cure ..
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
An admirable commentary, Jake.
Thanks...not mine...it came from the link i provided.
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
However, this has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines and their effectiveness.
There were no vaccines existing for the most part in the time period that you are citing.
Increasing life expectancy has nothing to do with vaccines.
again, from the link
The introduction of an Annual Report from the Registrar General in Scotland in 1855 has provided much more accurate information regarding ageing. An example is that the mean life expectancies of men and women between 1861 and 1870 of 40.3 and 43.9 years had almost doubled by 1995 to 72.1 and 77.6 years (Table RegistrarGeneral) [Registrar, General, for, Scotland, 1995].
****Important causes of this include an improvement in nutrition, better housing and public health measures including the prevention of major epidemics.****
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
In any case, my point against the vaccines is the presence of toxic heavy metals and other harmful compunds in them.
On another level, they also promote the destruction of the benefic bacteria in the human gut.
yes, so life expectancy should be going down right?
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
Agree or disagree - your health is your problem.
Deal with it the way you think best.
Right you are.
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
I was merely stating my point of view, and what I believe to be facts.
You've got your facts all wrong.
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
You are displaying "amazing ignorance" if you are calling research by the Weston A. Price Foundation as "crap".
Your first site is of some sleazeball Mercotan who calls himself a doctor. His credentials are unknown and his disclaimer at the bottom is enough to realize the crap that he puts on his site.
Your other URL is only an isolated article by an individual doctor and that too is limited to discussion on autistic children. By what logic do you connect it to the mankind at large? The foundation itself is concerned mainly with nutrient-dense foods. Again, by what logic are you quoting this site in discussion of flu shots??
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
And may you keep pumping vaccine after vaccine into your body, keep poisoning your mind and body with lead, mercury, and a coctail of dead viruses.
Limiting our discussion to flu shot, please substantiate your claim that the flu shot vaccine has any of the ingredients(except virus) you mention and how they are harmful if they do. Else as I said, your post is a load of trash!
You might be an advocate for alternative medicine and nature cure etc etc, but please do not spread false and misleading information.
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