You too used the word so you are not sure.
The example you have given is of a semi or at best an unskilled worker. You cannot generalize that for lets say marketing professional or an architect. The basic assumption you are working on is the fact that non-Canadian experience equals non-professionalism. Which you know is not true. I have been to ample places in Canada where I found total lack of professionalism from the 'goras'. I once went to a large store looking for a fan. I couldn't find one so I caught hold of one sales associate - gora. I asked him where can I find fans and he replied without thinking for moment we have run out of stock.. He also asked me to got a store a few blocks away. I happened to look up and saw that in fact he was standing under a huge inventory of fans! I showed him the same and he said Oh! We have them! Is this professionalism? See I am not trying to generalize anything but just that these things happen irrespective of the ethnic background. True it may be more with the desis and I have experienced that in the desi grocery shops. But here we are talking of well-qualified immigrants.
For example if am immigrant has worked in the hospitality industry, let’s say The Taj at Mumbai. Does he /she need any Canadian experience to understand what customer service is? Now you put the same person in a retail store in customer service what will the person gain? In fact I think there might a erosion of skills over a period of time.
In my opinion it is very difficult to understand what one really gains by Canadian experience to get into his /her field of choice.
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It may not sound fair but consider this: When I go to an esthetican (for example) I expect good customer service (professionalism, attitude etc). Unfortunately the majority of 'desi' estheticians that do business in my area are VERY poor in this area. They have their own salons but never smile, dont act professionally (they are always chatting with each other while working on their client) and can often be abrupt. Even though they can offer lower rates than other places, I often feel its not worth it and would rather spend my hard earned money at places where I am treated like a client..not a number.
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Posted on: 17-03-06 15:39:50
Iceberg , Nice article.
Gora's did not invent the wheel. All this is just plain racism. Unless a law comes to integrate immigrants with goras (similar to indian reservation) these gora's wil never change. I also donot expect this law ever at all in canada and i expect that there will be discrimination against immigrants until the end of the world.
On a lighter note, a desi manager who got into a management position in one of the biggest cell phone providers of this province found out that letters were being sent to a person's old address telling him that all his mails were being returned and that he should provide the company with his new address. Naturally all such mails came back returned too.
These things can only happen in Canada.
TK
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Thank you for sharing your experience. But how does it really work? How do you contact a potential employer? Walk into their booth? And what about wait times? Just curious so I know what to do the fair.
Thanks once again for your time.
Consider going to the Mela. You have stalls out there. This is the same thing. There are stalls aka booths of various organizations. Go directly to the ones you're interested. They'll either -
1. Take you resume and tell you that they'll get in-touch with you (this will happen only if they're really crowded)
2. Look at your resume and speak to you for a few minutes, again depends on how crowded they are and if they're interested in your skill.
3. Look at your resume and speak to you at length
Remember you get only a few minutes to impress upon them. So be at your best, dress up well. Wait times tend to vary a lot, could be anywhere from 5 minutes to 30 minutes (I guessing here). But if you're really interested in the organization, be prepared to wait.
Try reaching early for the following reasons -
1. 1st thing in the morning everyone's fresh. At the end of the day they're all tired and just wat to get out from there
2. Beat the crowd
3. Gives you time to look around and short-list the organizations which interest you. You should have already done that. The list is normally available at their website
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Do you think Indian customers especially big corporate companies, etc. do not demand good customer service? There are a lot of multi-national companies in India now & many people have exposure of dealing with different kind of customers.
Given that one has the experience & other skills required for the job, do you think customer service is so difficult a skill that it cannot be acquired? All companies do have orientation & training sessions in which these things can be taught.
Whenever one changes a job in India or even in Canada or say a person working in India gets a job in the Gulf or a person goes to US on H1 visa, one has to learn new systems since each company has a different way of operating. Doesn't require a person to start his career all over again.
My point earlier, Morning rain, was that I know of people who have worked as a security guard or in a factory doing labour work after coming to Canada. Subsequently they have got a job in their original field of work. How does this security guard or snow shovelling job help him?
yesterday I came to know of a job in a bank where you have to seal the envelopes by licking them & for that you get paid $11 an hour whereas my retail sales job which definitely requires more skills used to pay me $8.5 per hour.
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Location: God's own country
Posted on: 17-03-06 17:42:35
Yeah ! Rajan . Does not make much sense.
Security guards get $10 an hour.
General labour jobs $8-$10
Fork lift operator- $12-$18
Labour after 3 years experience - $15-$18
Architectural Draftsman (Immigrant Architects) $8-$10 or No jobs
Some IT companies- Free work in the name of Canadian Experience.
Kitchen designer in Home depot- $10 (mostly part time)
Most professional jobs @ entry level - $8-$10
There is no hierarchy in jobs and the pay that you get.
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Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 17-03-06 18:19:04
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Originally posted by Iceberg
You too used the word so you are not sure.
The example you have given is of a semi or at best an unskilled worker. You cannot generalize that for lets say marketing professional or an architect. The basic assumption you are working on is the fact that non-Canadian experience equals non-professionalism. Which you know is not true. I have been to ample places in Canada where I found total lack of professionalism from the 'goras'. ...
See I am not trying to generalize anything but just that these things happen irrespective of the ethnic background. True it may be more with the desis and I have experienced that in the desi grocery shops. But here we are talking of well-qualified immigrants.
For example if am immigrant has worked in the hospitality industry, let’s say The Taj at Mumbai. Does he /she need any Canadian experience to understand what customer service is? Now you put the same person in a retail store in customer service what will the person gain? In fact I think there might a erosion of skills over a period of time.
I did not generalize my example to include white collar professionals. Hairstyling/Esthetics are a skilled trade that are not 'labour' jobs. An individual who owns a salon will be a bona fide business owner. I expect them to understand what customer service is.
I also do not equate non-canadian with non-professionalism. I realize and have seen individuals regardless of nationality both very pleasant and not.
What have you experienced in desi grocery shops? Are there not professionals or well educated people running businesses like grocery etc to make ends meet?
If an individual has worked in the hospitality industry in India (in your above example), does it mean that a) they have english language competency? b) That there arent cultural differences in communication that they ought to learn and understand in order to be more successful in their work?
Similarly, cross cultural communication is a very interesting topic. Indian english seems to have its own slang..canadian english its own slang and even american english its own slang. British english has unique words and meanings. There is cross cultural communication happening when a british "gora" speaks to an american "gora".
I bring these up because thats often what "canadian experience" means. It means different things to different employers. It is often an (unfair) excuse to not hire someone. Human nature judges others based on many things other than their skills. Someone may not like your shoes or your business suit etc.
I hope I did not convey that I assume all non-canadians are non professional. I know this through experience that this is in no way true. My goal is to contribute to this discussion.
Thanks,
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Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 17-03-06 18:23:07
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Gora's did not invent the wheel. All this is just plain racism. Unless a law comes to integrate immigrants with goras (similar to indian reservation) these gora's wil never change. I also donot expect this law ever at all in canada and i expect that there will be discrimination against immigrants until the end of the world.
On a lighter note, a desi manager who got into a management position in one of the biggest cell phone providers of this province found out that letters were being sent to a person's old address telling him that all his mails were being returned and that he should provide the company with his new address. Naturally all such mails came back returned too.
These things can only happen in Canada.
TK
TK:
Can you clarify what you mean when you say
"Unless a law comes to integrate immigrants with goras (similar to indian reservation) these gora's wil never change".
"These things can only happen in Canada"
I disagree. Is there total efficiency in India ? Do systems never fail? Is there not human error?
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