My impresssions of Canada after a 4-year absence !!!
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Posted on: 10-10-06 12:50:59
Population, pollution, corruption was a big problem, is a big problem and same in future. The biggest problem is civic sense.
If you ask someone in Delhi who is making good money what did u do on weekend? "Oh we did shopping in Connaught place, some shopping in south Ext, movie at PVR and few drinks at TGIF. Total spending Rs3000"
Mostly sports like tennis, swimming,golf are available in clubs where you need Rs50000/year membership fees (cheapest club). So very few kids can play there. All free land is converted into mutliple storey building or malls. Big known parks are always crowded and you can not play cricket or soccer there. I remember in our line we have all single storey houses. Now all are three storey houses and 3 times more kids or people. But number of trees are 1/3. All places are full of people, buildings and cars all time.
One of my wife's friends called when she was in Atlanta. She told us that Atlanta is boring our Hyderabad is far better having more malls than here. If mall is the sign of development than 80% cities of North America are less developed than Hyderabad.
Good school like DPS, you need to have lakh 1 for building fee or other type fee for admission in nursery then Rs 600/month school fees, bus charges and all. They interview parent for admission in nursery. People think that is great school they interview parent. School interviews your pocket and earning not you that how much you can afford or how much they can milk you.
If you take morning train in Delhi or Delhi suburbs there are more milk boxes than men. When train stops these milkmen start loading boxes from other side of train and you have to stand on these boxes if want to go office with wearing Benetton shirt and vanHussen tie (that money can buy). You can not say or take panga from these types of people who play cards and smoke all over train. If try to speak more and you are in UP, bihar they will throw you out of train. Thanks God delhi, Bombay people are good they don’t throw people out of train. In few parts of delhi, bombay girls wear shorts as that part of city is like west. But police people and lot of people who pass that place in buses see those girls like they will eat whole girl.
There is no concept of hiking, river rafting, cycling, tennis, any sports, swimming. If our kids wants to play hockey, tennis or swimming then here we are fine and she/he can play with boys or girls.
That is different story that I notice a big population here in Canada live like Punjab village even they are here from long time.
Well i do not think the issue is whether North America will decline or whether India/China will come up.
The laws of average will play out here. India / China no doubt will grow. At the same time USA and Canada economy will grow but at a slower rate.
Since Canada has huge financial power they can invest the money elsewhere and make more and more profit. This means that Canadian companies will be making more money from money. However the jobs will migrate to countries like India/China.
More jobless will be there in Canada. Rich will become Richer and divide between rich and poor will widen drastically. and that is what Chris mentioned he saw in canada.
As more jobs move outside and more immigrants coming in, the divide will further widen. In short the living standard may not be as good as it was for poor or labor class people even though the per capita income of the country will go up.
This will continue till a point comes when the cost advantage of india and china will be no more. This might take long time.
So in short what i feel the living standard of the immigrants will not be as it was before 90's when the western world was moving up so fast. It will very tough for immigrants to get a good job for good living.
Secondly i feel US can still compete as it has huge population and it is knowledge based. If you see FDI's, US still ranks Top 5 in terms of FDI inflow even though US invests hell lot of money out of US. Other countries across the world are still investing heavily in US but may not be in Canada. So US with its hugh thirty crore population will still lead and no one can beat them.
However for canada, my prediction is economy will grow, per capita will grow, however, rich poor gap will widen, poverty to increase over a period of time. Immigrants will have tough job ahead to find a job where the supply is huge and demand is less.
India china on other hand will see per capita rising, more poor moving up the value chain, life style to improve. The only issue in India what i feel is poor infrastructure. Only if we had better infrastructure less people would think of migration. The things are drastically changing in china. China now with much better economy and infrastructure is seeing change in people migrating.
As per one document i read no good skilled people are migrating from china, it is now different section of society of chinese which is migrating to canada. The same will happen in india as well. That is the reason why you see no or very less people from 1st world are migrating to canada. Thats the reason Chris saw so many poor people of economically poor countries.
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Originally posted by Chris
How is MTL now, jake? Are you tired of it? Or still discovering new stuff? I love the cinema and jazz related events there. But the cold is too much for me.... that is something I could never get used to!
Where I am now it is 28 degrees every single day...
Lucky you. I'll probably not get used to the winter...but still, sorta like it this way, the changing seasons. I usually change my tune during feb/march
.MTL has been good to us so no complaints. Yes, exploring newer aspects of it every time.
You pointed out a cpl of the small things here we take for granted. My visiting parents actually brought another to my notice...the ability to dine in an open terrace/patio on a busy street without having people accosting you or begging for your food. Its not in every country you can enjoy simple things like that.
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Originally posted by rahul_singh23
Population, pollution, corruption was a big problem, is a big problem and same in future. The biggest problem is civic sense.
If you ask someone in Delhi who is making good money what did u do on weekend? "Oh we did shopping in Connaught place, some shopping in south Ext, movie at PVR and few drinks at TGIF. Total spending Rs3000"
Mostly sports like tennis, swimming,golf are available in clubs where you need Rs50000/year membership fees (cheapest club). So very few kids can play there. All free land is converted into mutliple storey building or malls. Big known parks are always crowded and you can not play cricket or soccer there. I remember in our line we have all single storey houses. Now all are three storey houses and 3 times more kids or people. But number of trees are 1/3. All places are full of people, buildings and cars all time.
One of my wife's friends called when she was in Atlanta. She told us that Atlanta is boring our Hyderabad is far better having more malls than here. If mall is the sign of development than 80% cities of North America are less developed than Hyderabad.
Good school like DPS, you need to have lakh 1 for building fee or other type fee for admission in nursery then Rs 600/month school fees, bus charges and all. They interview parent for admission in nursery. People think that is great school they interview parent. School interviews your pocket and earning not you that how much you can afford or how much they can milk you.
If you take morning train in Delhi or Delhi suburbs there are more milk boxes than men. When train stops these milkmen start loading boxes from other side of train and you have to stand on these boxes if want to go office with wearing Benetton shirt and vanHussen tie (that money can buy). You can not say or take panga from these types of people who play cards and smoke all over train. If try to speak more and you are in UP, bihar they will throw you out of train. Thanks God delhi, Bombay people are good they don’t throw people out of train. In few parts of delhi, bombay girls wear shorts as that part of city is like west. But police people and lot of people who pass that place in buses see those girls like they will eat whole girl.
There is no concept of hiking, river rafting, cycling, tennis, any sports, swimming. If our kids wants to play hockey, tennis or swimming then here we are fine and she/he can play with boys or girls.
That is different story that I notice a big population here in Canada live like Punjab village even they are here from long time.
Omigod, it's uncanny: it sounds exactly like Indonesia. People want development at ANY PRICE. No one cares about quality of life: parks, fresh air, etc.
For the locals here, the most important thing is to have BMW to go to the store or to the mosque, even though it is only a 10-minute walk away. There are virtually no sidewalks any more anyway, so walking anywhere is a dangerous and unpleasant venture because of the suicidal motorists who obey no rules of the road, the smoke and the traffic.
I think things should reverse themselves at some point... people will move to the suburbs as housing prices rise. People will basically 'give up' on living in the city as it will be uninhabitable!
I must say though that the women here are absolutely stunning in every way and I do not miss Canada at all in that aspect. They are so friendly and open and take such exquisite pains to look beautiful that I cannot help but admire them
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Originally posted by Dips
Well i do not think the issue is whether North America will decline or whether India/China will come up.
The laws of average will play out here. India / China no doubt will grow. At the same time USA and Canada economy will grow but at a slower rate.
Since Canada has huge financial power they can invest the money elsewhere and make more and more profit. This means that Canadian companies will be making more money from money. However the jobs will migrate to countries like India/China.
More jobless will be there in Canada. Rich will become Richer and divide between rich and poor will widen drastically. and that is what Chris mentioned he saw in canada.
As more jobs move outside and more immigrants coming in, the divide will further widen. In short the living standard may not be as good as it was for poor or labor class people even though the per capita income of the country will go up.
This will continue till a point comes when the cost advantage of india and china will be no more. This might take long time.
So in short what i feel the living standard of the immigrants will not be as it was before 90's when the western world was moving up so fast. It will very tough for immigrants to get a good job for good living.
Secondly i feel US can still compete as it has huge population and it is knowledge based. If you see FDI's, US still ranks Top 5 in terms of FDI inflow even though US invests hell lot of money out of US. Other countries across the world are still investing heavily in US but may not be in Canada. So US with its hugh thirty crore population will still lead and no one can beat them.
However for canada, my prediction is economy will grow, per capita will grow, however, rich poor gap will widen, poverty to increase over a period of time. Immigrants will have tough job ahead to find a job where the supply is huge and demand is less.
India china on other hand will see per capita rising, more poor moving up the value chain, life style to improve. The only issue in India what i feel is poor infrastructure. Only if we had better infrastructure less people would think of migration. The things are drastically changing in china. China now with much better economy and infrastructure is seeing change in people migrating.
As per one document i read no good skilled people are migrating from china, it is now different section of society of chinese which is migrating to canada. The same will happen in india as well. That is the reason why you see no or very less people from 1st world are migrating to canada. Thats the reason Chris saw so many poor people of economically poor countries.
Definitely the rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer.
Have we too not become more spoiled though?
I was thinking the other day at how cheap consumer goods are. It used to take quite a while to save up to buy something like a fridge: now I can buy one without a second thought. Things that used to be 'major purchases' like a TV or an air-con are cheap.
I think we are going into debt and feeling stressed out because we want it all. People want everything.... NOW. They used to look at ads and think, "well, I can't afford a big house or that model car".... Now they want it all and expect to get it.
Tell me though, dips, why would a poorer substratum of people be accepted into Canada? Are there jobs for them? Is there a need?
I just assume that our gov't has no idea what it's doing in terms of immigration.
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Originally posted by Chris
Tell me though, dips, why would a poorer substratum of people be accepted into Canada?
Honestly I dont think its so. Have a look at the requirements. The poorer substratum would find it very difficult to meet the economic requirements of immigration. Its actually the well to do/up and coming sections of the society who do currently choose to migrate from places like India.
Its true that many of them may find themselves in the poorer subtratum of Canadian society once they are here. The reasons for that however, has been debated on this forum already, hasnt it
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briliant dips
it was indeed a pleasure to read your analysis on economies of North america over india & china.
It seems logical that china and india will offer more rapid growth in jobs and economy in coming years. wheheras north america can continue to hold its position as super power due to there money and knowledge.
In NA big conglomerates are earnig hell of money and as there executives are.......but what is the future of immigrants here whom are having a inadequate language skills,limited money to support them and continuos shrinking job market in midst of fierce competition???
....do you think they could be better off in there home country or it is still worth it to come here and start from a scrach????
may be you would like to comment on this.....
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