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Posted on: 01-02-07 22:48:59
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Maybe the troops(if they are US troops) were going to save some innocents going to be massacred yet again.
really? How sweet! If it wasnt for it being so sad....this is the most hilarious
statement !
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Or is your point that the Americans should get out and let the Iraqis kill each other in greater
numbers? That we should get out of the way so they dont hate 'us' and hate each other
instead?
As far as Iraq is concerned, Yes! we should have outright stayed out of Iraq.
and BTW remind me what was our mission again .....is it now to help promote peace between the sects in Iraq? is it? I am still counting on finding those WMDs.
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Looks like the Iraqis(including the frail grandmother) are worse off in the latter case.
Another one that tops it!!
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So is it the Iraqis that you are really worried about or is there another axe you are grinding?
Yea, sure, I am worried about them. Shouldnt you be also? They are human like us.
I would worry about any one being trampled on like this, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu..anyone.
Not sure what you meant about the axe part?
I am surprised that you do not see a time tested text book style divide and rule being played on those people.
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Originally posted by Mercury
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Originally posted by hemzer
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Not sure about this "we". The video was from some middle east country. Driving on the right side.
-Mercury
Iran and Iraq both use Right Hand drives.
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Originally posted by hemzer
As far as Iraq is concerned, Yes! we should have outright stayed out of Iraq.
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too late huh? So now what..stay or leave? Let me know...I am waiting for your answer. Are the shia and sunni suddenly having a love-fest when the Americans leave?
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Yea, sure, I am worried about them. Shouldnt you be also? They are human like us.
I would worry about any one being trampled on like this, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu..anyone.
BULL!! You are avoiding the facts aout whon iis doin 95% of the killing of Iraqi civilians.
Who is doing the trampling?...who is bombing the mosques and the markets and the schools? The shia and sunni are taking turns at killing each others kids, civilians and mosques. Or are you going to say the Americans are doing that?
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Not sure what you meant about the axe part?
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I think you know. You keep posting anti-west propaganda. You are trying to present the the seceterian killings as american killing. Who is doing 95% of the killing in Iraq today? Is it secetarian or is the americans? Can you give an answer?
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I am surprised that you do not see a time tested text book style divide and rule being played on those people.
Come on...the Shia and Sunni have ALWAYS been divided. Pakistan? Saudi(where the shia minority are held by brute force)? Lebanon? Stop with your propaganda already. Take some responsibility for your lot. You dont care about the Iraqis...all you are worried about is your propaganda about the 'evil west'. Again whats your answer about who is actually killing the Iraqi civilians at present? Lets see if you answer with a propaganda spin or if you answer directly.
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Not sure what exactly is the "anti west propoganda" here.... when I objected to the arrogant driving, blatant disrespect for others in an occupied country. Just because we have the big shielded trucks and the balls to do it from behind it. Either we need some driving lessons badly here or some culture refinment.
I live in the West .. either, I must be a moron to spin out "anti west propoganda" or the person who percieves it as such is one.
Do not mix up things if you really have another point to make start a new thread. Dont hijack this one. This thread was to highlight an example of our arrogance and disregard for other cultures.
BTW, dosnt your heart go out to those poor Iraqi families in their cars? (specially the frail old grandmother)..? What if it was your little baby girl in the back seat? or imagine if its your frail old grandmother and you got bumped around like that....? Is your point that it is ok to do what you see in the video? does that achieve anything except hatred towards us.
Take a tip, You always have to put your self in the place of the oppressed and see how it feels. Try that for a change.
Call me dumb ... but I still dont get the axe part...?
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Originally posted by hemzer
Not sure what exactly is the "anti west propoganda" here.... when I objected to the arrogant driving, blatant disrespect for others in an occupied country. Just because we have the big shielded trucks and the balls to do it from behind it. Either we need some driving lessons badly here or some culture refinment.
I live in the West .. either, I must be a moron to spin out "anti west propoganda" or the person who percieves it as such is one. .?
Look in the comments section of the links you sent. You will see ex-army guys say that it is standard procedure to drive linke that to avoid IEDs and suicide attacks. You can also hear the driver honk like mad, then match the vehicle speed and then bump the vehicle in front...this causes minimal damage. Its not just a rash bump. They are following the normal procedure to keep themselves alive in a higly volatile place.
To take things out of context, then try to say that military people in a war zone have to drive like they are driving in some quiet Canadian street....IS nothing but propaganda. Poor one at that.
Again who is doing the killing in Iraq? To ignore this and just harp anti US sentiment IS propaganda.
There is no hate toward 'us'. They are hating each other and 'us' are in the way. Take 'us' out and rawanda will look like a childs playground. So what exactly are you trying to prove?
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..The my question is "why are we there?"
If its so dangerous that the only way you can drive safe is to drive by pushing every one out of your way? Then why be there in the first place?
This is like buying yourself a headache on a perfectly fine morning.
We cant even step out of the green zone without armour then what are we doing there?
Id say, Just "support our troops" and bring them back home safe and sound.
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Originally posted by hemzer
..The my question is "why are we there?"
If its so dangerous that the only way you can drive safe is to drive by pushing every one out of your way? Then why be there in the first place?
This is like buying yourself a headache on a perfectly fine morning.
We cant even step out of the green zone without armour then what are we doing there?
Id say, Just "support our troops" and bring them back home safe and sound.
Atleast we are not dealing with your rubbish about 'why they hate us' anymore
. Thanks for stepping off that soapbox.Is that your whole point? Bring back the troops?
So obviously the genocide that will follow is not your preoccupation...OR the moral angle is no longer your problem is it?
Face it man...we are there. The question is what next? Your choices are
1)let them kill each other. Just leave.
OR
2)Try to put a present Iraqi govt in a position to be able to prevent the killing. Then leave.
You are on morally(since you keep arguing from the moralistic viewpoint) weak ground if you agree with the first choice. The same goes if you disagree with the second.
Which is it?
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