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Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-11-09 08:01:38

I was surprised to find that most IT jobs are no more on the list of skilled independent category ........... No software developers , system administrators .... it appears we either have a surplus or these jobs are heading out or maybe both .... http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who-instructions.asp


* be a skilled worker who has at least one year of experience in one or more of the following occupations:

0111: Financial Managers
0213: Computer and Information Systems Managers
0311: Managers in Health Care
0631: Restaurant and Food Service Managers
0632: Accommodation Service Managers
0711: Construction Managers
1111: Financial Auditors and Accountants
2113: Geologists, Geochemists and Geophysicists
2143: Mining Engineers
2144: Geological Engineers
2145: Petroleum Engineers
3111: Specialist Physicians
3112: General Practitioners and Family Physicians
3141: Audiologists and Speech Language Pathologists
3143: Occupational Therapists
3142: Physiotherapists
3151: Head Nurses and Supervisors
3152: Registered Nurses
3215: Medical Radiation Technologists
3233: Licensed Practical Nurses
4121: University Professors
4131: College and Other Vocational Instructors
6241: Chefs
6242: Cooks
7213: Contractors and Supervisors, Pipefitting Trades
7215: Contractors and Supervisors, Carpentry Trades
7217: Contractors and Supervisors, Heavy Construction Equipment Crews
7241: Electricians (Except Industrial and Power System)
7242: Industrial Electricians
7251: Plumbers
7252: Steamfitters, Pipe fitters and Sprinkler System Installers
7265: Welders and Related Machine Operators
7312: Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics
7371: Crane Operators
7372: Drillers and Blasters – Surface Mining, Quarrying and Construction
8221: Supervisors, Mining and Quarrying
8222: Supervisors, Oil and Gas Drilling and Service
9212: Supervisors, Petroleum, Gas and Chemical Processing and Utilities


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Fido.


Vandematram   
Member since: Nov 08
Posts: 1448
Location: Sunny - Leone

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-11-09 17:00:24

Fidoji,

Please take no offence to my response.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/markman-go-east-and-south-young-man.aspx

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Go east (and south), young man

As the United States loses ground to the emerging markets of China, India and Brazil, the opportunities that beckon will spur more Americans to seek their fortunes there.
Hey, 20-year-olds -- listen up! I realize the job market bites right now, you're worried about having enough money for holiday presents, Facebook has gotten tedious and there's nothing good to watch on TV except \\\"Family Guy.\\\" It stinks to be you.


Are more Americans leaving US?
But it's not always going to be this way, and while all of your competitors around the country are cursing their luck for being ejected from college dorms into the worst economy since the Carter era, this is a good time to plot your future and prepare for a world of change as you peer way down the road at the prime of your working life in your 50s.

:cry: My guess is that the most significant event facing you over that time will be the long-awaited ascendance of China, India and Brazil to the top of the global industrial pyramid. And if you are not prepared for this, you will end up as road kill on the highway of history:( .

I realize that this is not the most novel idea in the world, but after a financial panic in the West and a recession everywhere else, it's becoming clear that the emerging countries are about to take their places at the forefront of change in ways that have been long predicted but also long delayed. Chinese, Indian and Brazilian banks were far less damaged by the credit crisis, so their governments -- corrupt and self-absorbed as they may be -- have found it easier to put monetary and financial stimuli to work faster.

This is not inconsequential. Every day that goes by now with U.S. and British banks failing to make loans to get U.S. entrepreneurs' factories, health care practices and retail chains expanding again is a day that their counterparts in Asia are using to build the lead in their own businesses.

China takes the lead
In the mid-1800s, British, German and French youths realized that their countries were in danger of being overtaken by the United States, and they left their homes and cultures to flood this country with a burning desire to build and succeed. Great fortunes were created from scratch, including those of steel maker Andrew Carnegie, a Scottish immigrant, and financier Joseph Seligman, from Germany.

These efforts will certainly be repeated now, despite the odds and language barriers, as American and European kids must migrate to Asia in search of opportunity at a time when the stakes and upside have never been higher.

Video: Bet on China or India?

Jim O'Neill, the Goldman Sachs supereconomist who's credited with coming up with the \\\"BRIC\\\" sobriquet for the key emerging markets of Brazil, Russia, India and China eight years ago, released a private report to clients last week that outlines the stunning pace of transformation in these countries. Even veteran observers were surprised by his conclusion that China's economy is on track to almost double that of the United States by 2050, at around $70 trillion in gross domestic product.

O'Neill figures the U.S. economy will have grown to only $40 trillion by then, from $14 trillion today. Trailing after us, not by much, he figures, will be India, at $35 trillion, the European Union at $25 trillion and Brazil at $15 trillion. With shrinking populations, Russia, Japan, France and Germany are expected to trail far behind. As a result, 2 billion people are expected to join the global middle class by 2030, or around 25% of the world's population.

After a recent 11-day trip to China, in which he walked for miles around cities and talked to government officials and business leaders up and down the political and financial spectrum, O'Neill concluded that China will actually take only 18 years to become the biggest economy in the world. (In the next year, it will overtake Japan to become the second-largest.)


For some perspective, Chinese GDP has already grown by $3 trillion since 2001. Looking at the dollar value of GDP of other countries back then, he points out that this growth was the equivalent of seven years of India's GDP, three of Italy's and two of France's, and of one-third of the United States' output.

To get to the next level, it needs to grow by 10% annually to around $21 trillion. Because some of that can be accomplished with currency appreciation, China needs only about 6% annual growth to get there.


How is this kind of incredible growth possible? O'Neill says it can happen because the global credit crisis took them off \\\"the drug\\\" of a reliance on exports. In discovering domestic demand for cars, consumer goods, real estate and the like, China is weaning itself off the need for a robust Western economy to sell into. Since January 2007, U.S. and Chinese retail sales have gone in opposite directions, with the former down $40 billion and the latter up $60 billion, according to Goldman data.


Are more Americans leaving US?
O'Neill, who is considered the dean of Western analysts on China, said his travels in the countryside on this trip were the most eye-opening. \\\"The desire to speak English was remarkable,\\\" he said. \\\"In one village we cycled through, there was this big billboard: 'Speak English; enjoy life.' Fantastic. In this globalized, English-speaking world, how important is this?''

High-speed trains are being built to connect major cities, energy efficiency is a top goal for all business plans, and people seemed happier than at any time in his 20 years of visits. \\\"Quite simply, this remains the most important economic story of our times,\\\" O'Neill said.

Putting some new numbers on the story, O'Neill's analysis suggests China will grow 7.7% annualized from 2011 through 2020, versus 6.4% for India, 4.5% for Brazil and 2.1% for the United States. In the subsequent 10 years, from 2021 to 2030, he expects China to fall behind India, with a growth rate of 5.5% versus 6.4%.

With opportunities growing overseas and the West advancing more slowly, already immigration is on the move. I've seen it among my own peer group, as one friend was faced with the choice of losing his job at a major international architecture firm in Seattle or moving to Beijing to take over the company's office there. He moved to Beijing in part so that his two children could grow up learning Chinese. Another friend, a professional investor in Canada, has had his daughter trained in Chinese since she was 4 and sent her to Beijing with his wife for a year at age 11 to cement her knowledge; she's now fluent.


This is how the next couple of decades will progress. In the past 10 years, these trends were quietly brewing and easy to mock as overly optimistic, but the break in the Western economies has changed all that. Both investors and individuals will now be judged on how well they adapt.

The best way for investors alone to participate is through judicious use of exchange-traded funds such as Vanguard Emerging Markets (VWO, news, msgs) or iShares China (FXI, news, msgs); both are recovering at a faster clip than developed markets, with less volatility.

If you'd like to go further afield for more diversity, consider funds of countries that directly feed into Chinese growth, such as iShares Australia (EWA, news, msgs) and Market Vector Indonesia (IDX, news, msgs), which provide tons of metals and food, and benefit from Chinese tourism.
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The net outcome in terms of future outlook for Technology related jobs(in any field of science, engineering and technology) is INDIA. If you are highly qualified scientist, engineer or techie DO NOT LEAVE INDIA.

If you are going to be manufacturing move to CHINA. If you are going to Financial sector & Trading the action will be in Singapore/HongKong.

IF WE DO NOT PLAN THIS WAY FOR OUR CHILDREN THEY WILL END UP AS ROADKILL AND LEFT TO DECAY.

This topic has been discussed nearly 6 to 9 months ago. The very same list was posted and the consequence of this list of how people are being brought in by workpermit has been discussed.

If my memory serves me right you have also contributed to the very same discussion(s).

We even said that we should write to immigration minister about this anamoly.

If we study the parent immigration we realize that what used to take a total of 6 months in 2003 now take 32 months for the first part and another 18 months for the Indian part. They want to stretch the whole process for this from 5 to 6 years so that if our parents are nearly 66 to 68 when they are ready to come to Canada and we file for their immigration then , they will be asked to take their medical by 72 to 75 years of age. As we know most of them will fail in some form of medical condition. This way they will control the parent/grandparent immigration as they will be a big burden on social welfare and also on health costs to Canada.


The summary of all this is that many Western countries do not want or want to slow down immigration. They want seasonal workers on work permit and who will return home on completion of assignment without poking a long term hole on pension, social welfare and health care.

May be when we are on workpermit they can even fire us over SMS.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Home-from-Dubai-for-Eid-workers-axed-over-SMS/articleshow/5282539.cms

Home from Dubai for Eid, workers axed over SMS
DWAIPAYAN GHOSH , TNN 30 November 2009, 12:36am ISTText

MEERUT: When Sajid took leave to come home for Eid last week, he had thought he would spend a few days quiet days with his wife and two children

before returning to his job in Dubai. But the festival holiday has quickly turned into a nightmare for Sajid. He and dozens of other workers from Meerut who were employed in various tile production units in Dubai, have been informed through SMSes that they were being sacked.

``It was early morning when I received a text message from my office, Al-Hamid, telling me that I need not bother returning to Dubai. My contract has been discontinued and my work permit stands terminated. It said my dues will be sent through post and my belongings will be duly returned,'' said Sajid.

The workers say at least 64 of them, all working in meltdown-hit Dubai, have been received pinks slips through text messages. Most of them live in areas like Shalimar Garden, Gokalpur, Shahpeer Gate and Zaida Farms in the city, and worked in tile-making units of various construction companies.

``We have been working in Dubai beyond all scheduled hours. We have not even taken our salaries for the past four months as we wanted to save money to get our families to UAE. Our dreams lie shattered today,'' said a weeping Noor Mohammad who stays at Zaidi Farms.

The workers say the text messages ^ received by workers in several other UP towns, including Bulandshahr, as well ^ were all the more shocking as they came after several Indian ministers including the finance minister claimed that the financial meltdown in Dubai it would not affect Indian workers too much. ``The ministers have been only talking about those from south India working in Dubai. A good 30% of the young workforce in our localities has gone to the Middle-East in the past two years. Many of my friends are still stuck in Dubai. We do not know whether they will even be paid. Our government must intervene and bring them back,'' said Asif from Zaidi Farms.

These are tense times even for those who haven't got the sack. ``I still have my job. My office has not sent any SMS. But I'm worried as I have not been able to contact them. I am thinking of forgetting about going back to Dubai and instead going to Delhi to find a job,'' said Javed from Zaidi Colony.

According to official estimates, in 2008, India got $43.5 billion as remittances from those working in the UAE.

A total of 3.4 lakh new workers got jobs in that country in 2008.

Sources in the Meerut administration said that they were closely watching the situation. \\\\\\\"We are aware of the people who work in Dubai. We are sympathetic to their problems. We will be talking to the relevant central government departments once we know about the extent of the crisis,'' said a senior Meerut zone officer.
However, these words were of little comfort for Javed, a sacked worker from Gokalpur locality of Meerut.
\\\\\\\"I want my salary. I wish the government will ensure that we get paid for the countless hours we toiled in Dubai,'' he said.
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rajcanada   
Member since: Jul 03
Posts: 2713
Location: Kitchener, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-11-09 17:55:56

I am not in software field but the general perception I get is IT people are coming now on work permit either independently or through companies like TCS, etc. Only IT managers are now in the list for immigration.


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