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Posted on: 04-04-14 17:47:50
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AAP working on single point agenda to divide votes of salaried middle class votes across all metros in India ...who also can vote to Modi ....NO one else will vote to AAP except middle class ... congress vote bank of muzzie and slum dwellers is always safe as rock
Assuming AAP is out there only to divide votes cast for Modi, should we not ask what is so special about Modi that his votes cannot/should not be divided.
Modi scrupulously avoids speaking about the black money. Taking action against black money was his mentor L.K.Advani's agenda, when the latter fought the 2009 elections as the PM candidate. LKA even went Rath Yatras.
The moment LKA decided to take on the black money bags in 2009 we know he and BJP were gone. To distract voters MMS in 2009 lied to the voters that he would bring back black money and money illegally stashed abroad in 100 days.
When MMS failed to do so after 100 days, shouldn't the people have risen in revolt against the government?
This time around just before the Goa BJP conclave, all the Davoswallahs would have clearly stated that it was not sufficient that Modi was made merely the 2014 campaign leader but the PM candidate himself.
This was to ensure that L.K.Advani never came anywhere near the Singhasan.
Otherwise the money taps would run dry and again Congress would be re-elected.
It was Modi whose name suited the money barons from Gujarat and other parts
of India.These money bags have used UPA, Congress and MMS like the sugarcane we see on roadside stalls. All MMS credentials of being LSE doctorate and great economist are gone.
Now it is Modi who will draw the money bags cart for the next 5 or 10 years.
Between 2019 and 2024, Modi will lose his sheen and will be called all sorts of names. Rahul Gandhi will suddenly be found out having great wisdom, genius etc. Till then he has to spend time in wilderness.
The story of the Great Indian Voter will keep going but his lot will never improve.
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Originally posted by febpreet
Dhaval/dhaikin,
You're absolutely right. All the very best for the next 5 years with Modi. I too have very high hopes from him. May Almighty gives him strength to change the course of the country in a good way and as he did with Gujarat.
Mitron, see ya in 5 years from now - 2019.
Lol! Conceding defeat already? I thought you would take some time out and go to Delhi and volunteer for AAP for next assembly election. See you in Delhi in a few months.
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Originally posted by febpreet
Let's play with your words here and see how they suit you best:
For someone who has given up logical thinking and is driven by either brainwashing or some kind of internal hatred, your thinking makes sense. You've demonstrated that there is no room to expand it.
Trying to explain the positives of Kejriwal and AAP would be akin to try and explain the merits of tolerance, dialogue and rational/scientific thinking to the Taliban. It would make no sense to them and my posts will make no sense to you.
You know what they say about imitation being a form of flattery :-). And the twist you added can be easily disproven. If you read the post below with an open mind, you'll see what I mean. If you don't, that's fine too, but you'll help prove my point above.
I have no personal agenda against Kejriwal. I do recognize and acknowledge the positives he brings to the election equation. He has been able to galvanize the anti-corruption movement and plant the seed of alternative thinking in the minds of the population, which is a big accomplishment. Anna Hazare started it as everybody knows, but Kejriwal has been able to carry it forward and politicize it, which is necessary to get action on it. He has obviously said the right things to get people motivated against this important issue.
But when he had the opportunity to translate those words into something tangible and concrete, he failed miserably in my opinion. If he took the Delhi CM post thinking that the culture that has been embedded in the mindsets and the system for decades can be fixed overnight, he is either incredibly naïve or stupid. And stupid he clearly is not. I also don't think he's that naïve. Which then leads me to the third conclusion that he figured out quickly the incredible complexity of fixing corruption given that the whole system is decayed and also realized quickly that he would not be able to deliver on the platform he ran on. This was the perfect test of his leadership. A leader in this situation would need to mix pragmatism, diplomacy and patience with hard-headed idealism to make progress on this issue. Instead, he just asked for overnight changes and when they did not occur, resigned. The saying is not that when the going gets tough, the tough resign.
The other issue I have with him is the recognition that corruption is only one dimension to running a country like India. There's economic growth, foreign policy, defense etc. etc. which are equally important and Kejriwal has absolutely no experience in any of those. His hard headed idealism make him a really terrible candidate for any of those and I'm frankly scared of what would happened on the above fronts if someone like Kejriwal came to power at the top post in the country. Experimenting with someone so green on a leadership post with enormous responsibility is not something I would do.
So does this mean Kejriwal should retire and go away? Absolutely not. You can read in my other post that if he forms the opposition, that is a great situation. He (and his supporters) need to recognize that he still has a lot of learn if he really wants any concrete results. I used the word "grooming" in that post, that is what he needs. Learning leadership skills to balance idealism with reality to get results. Not making excuses and pointing fingers. I'm happy to change my view about AAP and Kejriwal if I see progress on this front.
Compare and contrast above approach with the almost militant hatred of Modi that many of you guys have and the fact that you will completely ignore well documented facts below.
1. Modi's leadership has played a big part in Gujarat's progress recently. Most Gujaratis know this and this is why they have put him in the top post in Gujarat thrice.
2. The riots were a really tragic episode, however there are a lot of angles to how they started and progressed that you conveniently ignore. Also, your selective memory helps you ignore the fact that there have been several other riots in India (take the Mumbai ones for example) but those don't matter. You also choose to ignore the fact that they happened over a decade ago and since then, things have been mostly peaceful in Gujarat. Lastly you ignore that many muslims in Gujarat and outside have moved on.
3. You make baseless allegations of Modi being in the pocket of rich people (Ambanis being easy targets because they're Gujaratis :-)
4. Then there is this condescending broad brush painting of all Gujaratis as being community motivated and voting Modi into power for that reason. Modi recently made a ground-breaking statement around "toilets before temples". How many fundamentalists OR otherwise do you know who have the balls to say this?
Ignoring well documented facts and having one-sided thinking to suit your purpose is a classic fanatic/brainwashed approach. You want to project Modi and all Gujaratis in one way with only one agenda. You don't want to research, nor do you want to entertain any conflicting viewpoints. Hence my Taliban comparison, this approach is part of their playbook.
Anyways, none of us know how the elections will turn out and if Modi will even be the PM. If he does assume the post, this will only be the start of his challenge - how he performs against the backdrop of conflicts within his own party AND vested/communal interests outside his party remains to be seen. His track record in the past on overcoming similar challenges is rock solid though, which is why he has my support.
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Nice post BL. Well put.
Let's hope this ends the fanatism and name calling from everyone here.
Given the choices - he is the 'better' pick - there are no doubt.
Hiren
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Originally posted by Nightmare
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Originally posted by febpreet
Dhaval/dhaikin,
You're absolutely right. All the very best for the next 5 years with Modi. I too have very high hopes from him. May Almighty gives him strength to change the course of the country in a good way and as he did with Gujarat.
Mitron, see ya in 5 years from now - 2019.
Lol! Conceding defeat already? I thought you would take some time out and go to Delhi and volunteer for AAP for next assembly election. See you in Delhi in a few months.
I normally don't respond to you, but thought to clarify that the above was my style of sarcasm.
Defeat? You can call it whatever you may.
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Originally posted by febpreet
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Originally posted by Nightmare
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Originally posted by febpreet
Dhaval/dhaikin,
You're absolutely right. All the very best for the next 5 years with Modi. I too have very high hopes from him. May Almighty gives him strength to change the course of the country in a good way and as he did with Gujarat.
Mitron, see ya in 5 years from now - 2019.
Lol! Conceding defeat already? I thought you would take some time out and go to Delhi and volunteer for AAP for next assembly election. See you in Delhi in a few months.
I normally don't respond to you, but thought to clarify that the above was my style of sarcasm.
Defeat? You can call it whatever you may.
Lol! Typical AApian. It was certainly venting frustration and not sarcasm. Just do not lose hope. Kajri might stll become PM and cleanse the world of corruption. He might achieve a status higher than the God Obama and a Noble prize might specially be awarded to Kejri. Hope is eternal.
By the way, I also usually refrain from responding to copy/paste job but this seemed to be your genuine premature frustration and surrender. Just lending you a moral support. Results are on May 16. Keep hope alive. Kejri may still defeat Modi in Varanasi. Keep posting. AAPian posts provide much needed humor and entertainment.
You know what they say about imitation being a form of flattery :-). And the twist you added can be easily disproven. If you read the post below with an open mind, you'll see what I mean. If you don't, that's fine too, but you'll help prove my point above.
I have no personal agenda against Kejriwal. I do recognize and acknowledge the positives he brings to the election equation. He has been able to galvanize the anti-corruption movement and plant the seed of alternative thinking in the minds of the population, which is a big accomplishment. Anna Hazare started it as everybody knows, but Kejriwal has been able to carry it forward and politicize it, which is necessary to get action on it. He has obviously said the right things to get people motivated against this important issue.
But when he had the opportunity to translate those words into something tangible and concrete, he failed miserably in my opinion. If he took the Delhi CM post thinking that the culture that has been embedded in the mindsets and the system for decades can be fixed overnight, he is either incredibly naïve or stupid. And stupid he clearly is not. I also don't think he's that naïve. Which then leads me to the third conclusion that he figured out quickly the incredible complexity of fixing corruption given that the whole system is decayed and also realized quickly that he would not be able to deliver on the platform he ran on. This was the perfect test of his leadership. A leader in this situation would need to mix pragmatism, diplomacy and patience with hard-headed idealism to make progress on this issue. Instead, he just asked for overnight changes and when they did not occur, resigned. The saying is not that when the going gets tough, the tough resign.
The other issue I have with him is the recognition that corruption is only one dimension to running a country like India. There's economic growth, foreign policy, defense etc. etc. which are equally important and Kejriwal has absolutely no experience in any of those. His hard headed idealism make him a really terrible candidate for any of those and I'm frankly scared of what would happened on the above fronts if someone like Kejriwal came to power at the top post in the country. Experimenting with someone so green on a leadership post with enormous responsibility is not something I would do.
So does this mean Kejriwal should retire and go away? Absolutely not. You can read in my other post that if he forms the opposition, that is a great situation. He (and his supporters) need to recognize that he still has a lot of learn if he really wants any concrete results. I used the word "grooming" in that post, that is what he needs. Learning leadership skills to balance idealism with reality to get results. Not making excuses and pointing fingers. I'm happy to change my view about AAP and Kejriwal if I see progress on this front.
Compare and contrast above approach with the almost militant hatred of Modi that many of you guys have and the fact that you will completely ignore well documented facts below.
1. Modi's leadership has played a big part in Gujarat's progress recently. Most Gujaratis know this and this is why they have put him in the top post in Gujarat thrice.
2. The riots were a really tragic episode, however there are a lot of angles to how they started and progressed that you conveniently ignore. Also, your selective memory helps you ignore the fact that there have been several other riots in India (take the Mumbai ones for example) but those don't matter. You also choose to ignore the fact that they happened over a decade ago and since then, things have been mostly peaceful in Gujarat. Lastly you ignore that many muslims in Gujarat and outside have moved on.
3. You make baseless allegations of Modi being in the pocket of rich people (Ambanis being easy targets because they're Gujaratis :-)
4. Then there is this condescending broad brush painting of all Gujaratis as being community motivated and voting Modi into power for that reason. Modi recently made a ground-breaking statement around "toilets before temples". How many fundamentalists OR otherwise do you know who have the balls to say this?
Ignoring well documented facts and having one-sided thinking to suit your purpose is a classic fanatic/brainwashed approach. You want to project Modi and all Gujaratis in one way with only one agenda. You don't want to research, nor do you want to entertain any conflicting viewpoints. Hence my Taliban comparison, this approach is part of their playbook.
Anyways, none of us know how the elections will turn out and if Modi will even be the PM. If he does assume the post, this will only be the start of his challenge - how he performs against the backdrop of conflicts within his own party AND vested/communal interests outside his party remains to be seen. His track record in the past on overcoming similar challenges is rock solid though, which is why he has my support.
Very nicely written. This is how we should debate or discuss.
I also do not mind Mr.Modi being PM and was supporting BJP full on before introduction of AAP.
You are right that AK left too early but I would say that it too short of period to decide someone capability ( 49 days). We have been giving opportunities to our traditional leaders from 65 years and result is just in front of you. I would not say that he failed in 49 days. He has done few things in such a short tenure which was never every discussed in our country in past. I also understand at AK and AAP do not have an experience of economic growth, foreign policy, defense etc. etc but we need to first fix our basic problems. None of the government in past has discussed corruption, education , safety and health as seriously as AAP. If I say I need government who bring more outsourcing business,jobs, FDI, malls etc etc I am selfish as it will benefit majorly to metro's. How about poor and those living in villages and smaller cities? We need to first work on our basics. I can afford to send my son to a good private school but how about those who cannot. Is good education not a right for poor? None of the government has done anything on improvement of condition of government schools? Is BJP able to provide good education system in Gujarat? AK is strongly in favor of improving education system. I only go to private hospitals but how about poor or those living in villages. Is health not a right for poor in India?None of the government has done anything on improvement of condition of government hospitals? Is BJP able to provide good healthcare in Gujrat? AK is strongly in favor of improving healthcare system.
This is first time in history when safety of women were discussed and worked upon. Forget about poor, even middle class try to avoid going to police. For me, growth is not about making roads, flyovers, airports, opening big factories by giving land to corporates. I would rather prefer corruption free, safe and secure India with good health care and education.
We left India for all above reasons. Whatever we get in Canada like free education, free healthcare etc we also have in India in form of government schools and government hospitals but we don't use those services.
Once our basis problems and requirements are fixed, no one can stop India growing.
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