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Posted on: 14-04-05 12:20:05
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Orginally posted by atyagi
How about shifting kids(born here) from grade 2 or grade 3 to India (New delhi) and bring them back to canada when they are done class 10. Of course we will be with them when they go schooling in India.
Why bring them (and yourself) back to Canada? If that country gives better education, your children will be better citizens, and better citizens make a better nation.
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I have seen public school education here from close quaters as my 2 neices are in grade 7 and 3. Mind you they were born here and go to one of the very reputed public school here, but still there grades are nothing to talk about. And beware kids do get neglected here as both of the parents have to work to meet their ends, and have very little or no time to spend with their kids, who just end up watching TV or video games to kill the time as they are given very less or no home work.
I think you have answered yourself - that the parents do not have time for the kids and so they are getting lousy grades. Even in India, the life has become similar, where in cities both the parents are working and so do not have enough time for children. In such cases children there too have lousy grades and bad attitudes/habits.
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My friend sons are in grade 11 and 9. And he is really keeping disturbed off late regarding his sons as they spend almost no time studying when at home, dont know what they do in school.
There's some problem in your friend's parenting - nothing wrong in Canadian education. If he/she cannot control them and make them understand the value of studies and balance between studies and play, Canadian education cannot be blamed for it. They would do the same if they were in India.
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No wonder 65 - 70% students do not get qualified or drop out on their own from university education. When you can earn handsome doing plumbing, drywalling etc. Why do you want to make life miserable by studing. Thats the theory of average canadian child.
What is the use of making every citizen a university graduate. University and colleges should be for people who like academics and are good at it - not everyone is meant to do that. I for one could not do drywalling, plumbing or truck driving - find it much tougher than doing accounts in office, and that is why these handy men are paid higher - they do a tougher job and with special skills, just like a lawyer, doctor and accountant.
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On the other hand my friend who arrived from india in 2002 with his daughter who was in grade 6 is flourishing in studies over 90% marks.
Flourishing in what manner? Making lots of friends/money or being recognised on TV and other media?
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I have absolutely no faith in this so called canadian schooling. Not everybody is blessed with the brilliant mind chandresh kid's have.
All the more reason not to send your kids to India - if they are not brilliant, they will not be able to get into good schools in India. and by the way, my daughter used to stand at about 20th position in her class of 30 in Indian system of education - now she is considered darling of her teachers and peers - not because of studies but for her talent in dancing, organising, fund-raising, helping, volunteering etc. She was the valedictorian of the graduating class last year!
Chandresh
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Chandresh
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I agree with Chandresh, star would shine anywhere.
No matter how busy parents are with their works, least they can do is spend 30 min daily talking to child what they did whole day and how they should have utilised it better. Family is the best institution a child can have; be it India or Canada.
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Hi ,
HERE IS MY EXPERIENCE :
I have a kid studying 5th grade in Toronto.
I am not impressed with the system here. I did extensive studies on the EQAO results of public schools for Toronto district school board, York D.S.B and Peel D.S.B.
After my investigation, I found out couple of good schools scoring very high (60% of the students getting grade A+).
However, these scores are high because they are all "Gifted school" scorings.
Your child to prove that they are above normal in studies comparing to other students in grade 3. Then the school will recommend them to send them to gifted schools.
Other than the gifted schools, rest of them are average schools getting average results.
We will be going back to India (Bangalore) to send our kid to one of best schools in India and be there for up to 12 grade.
Then we will be back for university education.
I fully agree with u. I give ZERO rate to the Canadian Primary Education. It is worst and will help generate only labors. My son was stamped a "WONDER BOY" when we came here in 2001 and he joined in SKG. Now after three yaers he does not know what he knew three yeras before. In garde 3 his classmates can not add 2+2.
I do not know, when the foundation is week how can we buid a strong home. This education system does not help develpong a strong foundation, inclination toward study than how come we expect the same kid while he/she reached in grade 7/8th to be perfcat and devote them in study.
This system just help to develope presentation and marketing skills. That's it. That's why Canada is able to sale its immigaration policy successfuly.
My opinion is just about primary education.
Haribhai,
I think you overlooked this one
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This system just help to develope presentation and marketing skills. That's it. That's why Canada is able to sale its immigaration policy successfuly.
You call it JUST? Something that prompts millions of people around the world to stand and queue for years to be able to come over to Canada is JUST? It is like saying that a really efficient CEO of big organisation who does not keep a single paper on his desk because he is able to dispose them off by quick decision making, JUST signs the papers and cheques and only talk to guests, does not do anything (Likeactually making the budgets, or writing the account books or stand on the shopfloor to produce something - he JUST signs some papers) ? My god, such people run the whole organisation and grow it to be able to give employement to thousands of people who learned 2+2 when they were in SKG
I do not agree with the concept many Indians have about schooling in Canada. In my view there is a difference between education and schooling (or academic studies). What we are taught in schools in India is pure theory - let's be frank, how many of us actually understand the practical and real aspects of that theory that we are taught?
Four years ago, my son came to me and put forward a question:
'you want to decorate your house and doing up your living room and bedroom, want to use diffused lighting. Give suggestions how you would do it '
Well I had studied in theory everything in light in physics in my school days, and infact got very good marks on that topic, but it took me more than an hour just to think what kind of advice should I give him. this involved types of bulbs, types of shades, top lighting, bottom lighting, surface of walls, finishing of ceiling, colour of walls (how they will absorb or reflect light), fabric of furniture etc. etc. etc. What I mean to say is, such a question make me THINK and apply logic, which I could do with my experience from age, but in my school with my academic studies, I would have neither been asked to do, nor i could have the capacity to rack my brains for such things.
Similary, two years ago, my daughter came to me with a project to build a bridge with McDonalds straws and metal pins. It was very easy to make a bridge - but what was tricky was HOW MUCH WEIGHT WILL THAT BRIDGE HOLD. There had to be a balance between the materials used, length of the bridge, its height and then finally strength to hold weight. It took us four days to do one - and imagine, the bridge she made with her friend in school turned out to be better than what we (my wife and I ) build for her with our logic. We seemed to know theory better than her, but could we translate into practical world - not well enough!!
Today, my son is doing a History project and his topic is Abraham Lincoln. He is researching almost all things available for that guy, his growth, his ideologies, how it affected the citizens, his words and what that meant etc. etc. Did we do such things for Ashok, or Chandragupta Maurya, or Aurangzeb, or even Mahatma Gandhi?? The education he will get from the project will help him a lot in shaping his own life and thinking - rather than just 'ratoing' what Ashok did, or in which years did Mughal rule and fought wars - without ever understanding the inner aspects of those wars, their contribution to the society and how they changed or formed a nation.
Yes, initially I was shocked when I saw my daughter doing simple addition in Math class in grade 5/6/7. But the confidence that I have seen in my kids from educational point of view as well as social interactions in far better than what they could have got in Indian style of schooling. Today, being in high school, they might not know the exact theory of various things, but they have the confidence to talk to an engineer, or a businessman or an artist and discuss various aspects of their professions, and believe me, at times, even be able to give great suggestions based on their practical experiences. Such education, though not impossible, but is very difficult to find in kids schooling in India.
There can be manu such examples where I feel and can prove why Canadian education is better but I hope the above shoud suffice. Infact, my wife has been a teacher for sometime now, and not only I , but she herself is amazed how much she is learning in primary school which she as topper of her univeristy did not know - what are the various aspects of grammer, how different sound are made, what these sounds convey, what is erosion and how it affects us practically at home or in environment, how to treat a child in his growing years given his own family background etc. etc. That is education - in India we have academic learning - important, but not necessarily better.
And as I said earlier - the final result is - these guys here are able to build a nation where we want to come and live, not the other way around, even with the best of brains in South Asia. Even the guys from IITs and IIMs want to come here and live, and they rarely send their kids to study in India, from where they themselves had studied and became good enough to be doing something great in North America.
Chandresh
Just to add to it, today while I write this, my son is attending a 'seminar' where hundreds of students from all over GTA have gathered to participate in a mock election, where they have to choose their leaders, and the chosen leaders have to chose thier head and form the government. This one day seminar is going to give them a REAL feel of the actual elections and the various processes involved.
Did you and I ever get such a chance? And if we didn't, don't you think we missed a very important piece of 'education' (once again please note education does not only mean reading textbooks!)
And once again I ask you all - if education in India is soooooooooo great, why don't we produce great citizens who could have made it a great country long before Canada. Why do we all (the ones in Canada) choose to leave our great country and education to live in a country which provides lousy education which will not produce good human beings but lousy citizens? Why, oh why?
Chandresh
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(once again please note education does not only mean reading textbooks!)
Chandresh
Amen! Or learning multiplication tables by rote
What is more impressive is that this kind of education is available in most public schools in canada. One does not have to be in the high income bracket or enroll the kids in an elite school , to avail of this kind of education.
I am constantly amazed by the well-rounded education that my daughter receives(even though she is only in Grade 1) in her French public school. Be it in leadership skills, music, swimming, computers, theatre or fine arts. At 7, she probably has more self-esteem, confidence and skills than I had at 17 .
I probably did know more multiplication tables when I was her age tho.
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If you are eligible and seriously interested in settling in canada its a wise decision to have yours kids schooling in canadian setup. That will make their life easy going . You know indian education have no value in canada.In Canada they ask for their own qualifications. Indiaian post graduates drive cabs and do petty jobs. good luck
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