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Every year about 52,000 students pass out of various engineering colleges in Tamil nadu. Out of which about 15,000 are unable to find jobs, while another bunch work at salaries of about Rs.2000 per month. This is the latest from Tamil nadu.

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An Engineer is an Engineer, irrespective of merit seat or capitation seat. The point I was driving was similar to yours, that everybody talks about better quality of education in India verus Canada. I was trying to communicate the point that what do you after that fantastic education in India, with a 70% chance of being un (or) underemployed.
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Todays news from The Hindu, Bangalore edition:

Pure sciences have no takers in hi-tech city

Divya Ramamurthi

Only 2,100 students joined the science stream at the under-graduate level last year





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Chances of landing lucrative jobs slim
Poor quality of teaching
Inadequate research facilities
Proliferation of engineering colleges
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BANGALORE: Pure sciences never did have much of a standing with the State's students. This seems seems to be getting worse.

Last year, 2,100 students were admitted to the 37 colleges affiliated to Bangalore University for degrees in pure sciences. Of the 72 seats in each discipline in each college available to students, most colleges were able to fill only 25 seats each.

At Bangalore's Seshadripuram College, there were no takers for the Bachelor of Science (physics, chemistry and mathematics). At National College, Jayanagar, students did not apply for the degree course with chemistry, biology or zoology as subjects. Some colleges, such as Vidya Vahini College in R.T. Nagar, sought to discontinue their B.Sc. programme.

Better year


M. S. Thimmappa, Vice-Chancellor of Bangalore University, says 2003 was a bit better for the sciences.

\"The number of students for the sciences was marginally better,\" he says.

The lack of interest among students in science has professors and researchers in the city worried. \"Something has to be done. Science is the foundation for most areas of work and we need to build a society strong in their basics,\" says a professor from the National Institute of Advanced Studies (NIAS).

A professor from the Indian Institute of Science (IISC) says students are enthusiastic about a career in sciences when they are in high school, but during their final year, they opt for engineering because of societal and parental pressure.

\"A career in sciences does not account for much today. People believe that an individual is taking up B.Sc. mathematics because he or she failed to get admission into an engineering college.\"

This is reflected in the fact that there are very few takers for the Kishore Vaigyanik Protsahan Yojana Science fellowships.

\"Very few people are applying,\" she adds.

Mr. Thimmappa says students believe that a career in sciences is not growth-oriented. They feel they cannot land themselves a high-paying job with a multinational company with a degree in sciences.

The downfall of sciences has been brought about in part by the proliferation of engineering colleges and partly by the poor quality of teaching at science institutes, say academics.

It is easier to get into an engineering college than a science college.

The way out


Academics say premier engineering institutions such as the Indian Institutes of Technology need to open up to sciences. They should offer both streams of education and keep them porous so that people choose their options more freely.

Some suggest that more research centres such as the Chennai Mathematical Institute, supported by Southern Petrochemical Industries Corporation Ltd. Science Foundation need to be set up. \"They do a lot of good research. It is cutting edge and as good as any other foreign university,\" says the professor from the Indian Institute of Science.

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Speech by Thomas Friedman of The New York Times....

"When we were young kids growing up in America, we were told to eat our
vegetables at dinner and not leave them. Mothers said, 'think of the
starving children in India and finish the dinner.' And now I tell my
children: 'Finish your maths homework. Think of the children in India
who would make you starve, if you don't.'"

Where did Ambani or Bill Gates get their degrees from?
For your information Ambani & Bill Gates were not appointed by process of interview. So, I donot understand your statement.

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Both have Thousands of Engineers working for them.

Both are high school drop outs.

Today for every IIT ian going USA for M.S education there are 3 from PRIVATE CAPITATION COLLEGES FROM TAMILNADU, for example: Hindustan College of Engineering going there. I know this personally, as I used to counsel students going for higher education to USA from Chennai at USEFI located at the US consulate in Chennai.

Nobody is going to differentiate whether you are from IIT or a third rate capitation college from a god foresaken place as long as you can deliver stuff. Yes in India you might get an initial advantage if you are from IIT, but that does not hold good over a long time. Many of these guys from capitation colleges are landing up in USA and paying for their MS education and trying to find jobs there. When an American recruiter wants to recruit he is not going to look at whether the guys is from IIT or from Hindustan College of Engineering. Neither their degrees going to say B.E(Civil Engineering) - Capitation or Merit.

It is a pure law of economics -\"Supply and Demand\". In 1970's there were very few engineers and lots of people with Sciences degrees, and 35 years the wheel has come a full turn and we will find that good chemist, physicists are hard to find, while engineers are dime a dozen.

I know atleast 3 of my ex-colleagues children in Mumbai, India who have finished their B.E(Electronics Engineering) from private capitation colleges working for Citibank, ICICI Bank and related Financial institution.

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Speech by Thomas Friedman of The New York Times....

"When we were young kids growing up in America, we were told to eat our
vegetables at dinner and not leave them. Mothers said, 'think of the
starving children in India and finish the dinner.' And now I tell my
children: 'Finish your maths homework. Think of the children in India
who would make you starve, if you don't.'"

A different perspective

http://www.indianexpress.com/print.php?content_id=69567

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

One of America's most important entrepreneurs recently gave a remarkable speech at a summit meeting of our nation's governors. Bill Gates minced no words. "American high schools are obsolete," he told the governors. "By obsolete, I don't just mean that our high schools are broken, flawed and underfunded. ... By obsolete, I mean that our high schools - even when they are working exactly as designed - cannot teach our kids what they need to know today.

"Training the work force of tomorrow with the high schools of today is like trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year-old mainframe. ... Our high schools were designed 50 years ago to meet the needs of another age. Until we design them to meet the needs of the 21st century, we will keep limiting - even ruining - the lives of millions of Americans every year."

Let me translate Mr. Gates's words: "If we don't fix American education, I will not be able to hire your kids." I consider that, well, kind of important. Alas, the media squeezed a few mentions of it between breaks in the Michael Jackson trial. But neither Tom DeLay nor Bill Frist called a late-night session of Congress - or even a daytime one - to discuss what Mr. Gates was saying. They were too busy pandering to those Americans who don't even believe in evolution.

And the president stayed fixated on privatizing Social Security. It's no wonder that the second Bush term is shaping up as "The Great Waste of Time."

On foreign policy, President Bush has offered a big idea: the expansion of freedom, particularly in the Arab-Muslim world, where its absence was one of the forces propelling 9/11. That is a big, bold and compelling idea - worthy of a presidency and America's long-term interests.

But on the home front, this team has no big idea - certainly none that relates to the biggest challenge and opportunity facing us today: the flattening of the global economic playing field in a way that is allowing more people from more places to compete and collaborate with your kids and mine than ever before.

"For the first time in our history, we are going to face competition from low-wage, high-human-capital communities, embedded within India, China and Asia," President Lawrence Summers of Harvard told me. In order to thrive, "it will not be enough for us to just leave no child behind. We also have to make sure that many more young Americans can get as far ahead as their potential will take them. How we meet this challenge is what will define our nation's political economy for the next several decades."

Indeed, we can't rely on importing the talent we need anymore - not in a flat world where people can now innovate without having to emigrate. In Silicon Valley today, "B to B" and "B to C" stand for "back to Bangalore" and "back to China," which is where a lot of our foreign talent is moving.

Meeting this challenge requires a set of big ideas. If you want to grasp some of what is required, check out a smart new book by the strategists John Hagel III and John Seely Brown entitled "The Only Sustainable Edge." They argue that comparative advantage today is moving faster than ever from structural factors, like natural resources, to how quickly a country builds its distinctive talents for innovation and entrepreneurship - the only sustainable edge.

Economics is not like war. It can always be win-win. "But some win more than others," Mr. Hagel said, and today it will be those countries that are best and fastest at building, attracting and holding talent.

There is a real sense of urgency in India and China about "catching up" in talent-building. America, by contrast, has become rather complacent. "People go to Shanghai or Bangalore and they look around and say, 'They're still way behind us,' " Mr. Hagel said. "But it's not just about current capabilities. It's about the relative pace and trajectories of capability-building.

"You have to look at where Shanghai was just three years ago, see where it is today and then extrapolate forward. Compare the pace and trajectory of talent-building within their population and businesses and the pace and trajectory here."

India and China know they can't just depend on low wages, so they are racing us to the top, not the bottom. Producing a comprehensive U.S. response - encompassing immigration, intellectual property law and educational policy - to focus on developing our talent in a flat world is a big idea worthy of a presidency. But it would also require Mr. Bush to do something he has never done: ask Americans to do something hard.

Macman,

I agree with whatever you had written.

The fact is ....individual talent is there in India..like IT pros, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, but as a country we have failed.........

Its like the Indian cricket team........lots of individual talent........but failed as a team.........

This is where Western countries have an edge........individual talent is less for the younger generation..........but as a country they are rich, Industrialized and successful...........thats why they are 1st world country.........

As long as this continues........Western countries will rule the world........though we all know what the "Original" Canadian kids do at school.......cant even do a siimple math 23x54 without a calculator..........

What an irony!!!!!!!!


Deep

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Macman,

I agree with whatever you had written.

The fact is ....individual talent is there in India..like IT pros, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, but as a country we have failed.........

Its like the Indian cricket team........lots of individual talent........but failed as a team.........

This is where Western countries have an edge........individual talent is less for the younger generation..........but as a country they are rich, Industrialized and successful...........thats why they are 1st world country.........

As long as this continues........Western countries will rule the world........though we all know what the \"Original\" Canadian kids do at school.......cant even do a siimple math 23x54 without a calculator..........

What an irony!!!!!!!!


Deep

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