UN HDI report 2004
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Posted on: 12-11-04 17:16:26
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
But like always, this stuff does not hit you until you're on the receiving end.
Hit me? Who? What? Where? How?
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Who's talking about recommending anything? If you're surprised at someone's question, does that mean the question is wrong?
Did I say anywhere the question was WRONG?? I only questioned his method of looking for an answer.
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Are you that smart?
If you look for answer to a question on CD and I find the correct answer before you do by googling, who is smarter? You or me?
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Why should he look elsewhere? Seriously, who're you to decide what he should do? Are you saying he needs your permission to post a question here?
Arrey nahin bhaiya! Hum kono moderator thode hein?
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BOTTOMLINE :
The guy was offended, if you see his response to you later on in his post. You may still sit upon your high horse and claim this and that, but this remains a simple fact. You've responded in a similar fashion to some other questions as well. And that's what I pointed out and asked you to stop.
I did see his response.
And he says I'm right!
He then goes on to explain why he posted the message as he did.
At least from his reponse he does not sound offended.
Although, you definitely do!!
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You've responded in a similar fashion to some other questions as well.
Wouldyou be kind enough to point them out please? I mean as an initator!
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Let us ask atulgs if he was offended. If he says he was, I have no problems offering an unqualified apology. Promise!
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And he says I'm right!
He then goes on to explain why he posted the message as he did.
At least from his reponse he does not sound offended.
Although, you definitely do!!
BOTTOMLINE:
Let us ask atulgs if he was offended. If he says he was, I have no problems offering an unqualified apology. Promise!
Another instance of reading only what you want to read.
Later Gator! Gotta run enjoy Diwali!
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Are you there?
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Later Gator! Gotta run enjoy Diwali!
You too! Happy Dewali!
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The Cynic
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...so thought this would be a good place to remind you of a quote made by you on 19 October 2004
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Does SF do any work other than post on CD??
Wow! I think he has set the record for the longest posts, and I don't think it is going to get broken anytime soon!
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Hmm...time to settle old scores you think??
I too was wondering what was keeping you from getting aboard! Take the faltering torch and lead the charge!!
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I see you have bee really busy, in less than a month you have managed to break it many times over and on so many threads! Bravo. Hope you are finding some time to work though
Yup! And you guessed right!
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Even though i did read the stats which you brought out, i really wish it had been true,
What leads you to belive they are not true??
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then maybe we wouldnt have so many problems with staff discipline in the office connected to intoxication
I don't think problems faced by you at work have been taken into consideration in compiling the stats. However, if you feel that the same should be taken into account and can alter the data, I would urge you to send your ecommendation to the UN so that the next time around they also ask people how many "intoxication" related issues they have as a percentage of...ummm...of what? May be you know better.
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I DONT drink but my brother , all my close friends, colleagues at office and a large number of relatives do drink.....well actually even our maid servant's husband does too
So?
My statement:
Less than 50% of desis consume alcoholic beverages.
So your brother, friends, relatives, maid servant's husband belong to the smaller group who drink. That's all!
Could you please elaborate what exactly are you trying to say?
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While i havent read any article that a Liquor/ wine shop has ever had to be closed due to the desis not drinking, i have seen reports of them being looted though !
So?
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Anyway i do agree that as the drinking figures may not tally with the ground facts, and it may be a similar case with the HDI figures too which you are trying to get across
Who says drinking figures do not tally with ground facts? Who says HDI figures do not tally with ground facts? Did I? Where?
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All that apart and over with, i am still as curious as i was at the beginning of this thread when you refuted the HDI acceptability,
I did not refute the data or acceptability of HDI? If you believe I did, please quote!!
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that if the HDI is not alright,
Neither did I say that the HDI was not alright!!
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what exactly is, what should immigrants be really concerned with? What is it that you exactly wanted to bring out at the start of this thread.
Now that's a proper question. I am sorry if I have not been able to communicate my deposition to you. Maybe if you read the thread again, but this time perhaps with a little less belligerence and antagonism, I am sure you will be able to understand it better.
Quoting from one of my earlier posts:
To summarize my argument, immigrating with the purpose of enjoying improved infrastructure and facilities in the developed countries is not the same as choosing Canada because it is ranked 4 by UNDP. As I have said in one of the first few posts, most of the indicators used in the HDI report have actually very little relevence to issues faced by immigrants.
The US ranks lower than Canada in the UNDP report. Does that make it a country less worthy of immigration?
Take a poll of people in India of those who wish to immigrate, that given a choice between Canada and the US, which country they would prefer?
I bet you know the answer! Again not all, but an overwhelming majority would vote as you guessed. Why wouldn't they consider a higher HDI country? You tell me and you have your answer!
Secondly, the advantage gained in terms of enjoying the benefits of the better infrastructure, sometimes get more than offset by the other problems faced by some immigrants.
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No pun intended, i would really appreciate a honest view.
As an immigrant there are many more factors that come into play in making immigration a success than those the HDI takes into account.
Thanks for an honest question and I have indeed given my honest view.
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Hello DTC
How was Diwali.
Lead with the faltering torch
, that was a good one. It was nice of you to remember me and while i wish i could reciprocate, truth is you arent that significant yet....or ever.As regards your "desi boozing" stats, while i could direct you to a govt sponsored paper on alchol consumption, which could offset your google stats but i seriously doubt its efficacy in this (your) case.
Leaving that aside, If what i see around me doesnt count for anything, and we all have to be living by UN stats and internet figures, then the numerous posts which you make on this site (which are growing longer with each passing day) based on nothing but "your personal observations and feelings" aint worth anything at all either, including the Commandments by YOU to the effect that only lowly educated/ inexperienced people would be succesful in Canada- unless ofcourse the UN has some thing to say about that , which i doubt they do, then I wonder why i still havent seen any retraction on your part for that yet. You working on that now ?
Also,
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The US ranks lower than Canada in the UNDP report. Does that make it a country less worthy of immigration? Take a poll of people in India of those who wish to immigrate, that given a choice between Canada and the US, which country they would prefer? I bet you know the answer! Again not all, but an overwhelming majority would vote as you guessed. Why wouldn't they consider a higher HDI country? You tell me and you have your answer
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Like you i too have a deep rooted faith in UN facts, Canada with the higher HDI is a better choice
. So what exactly do you mean by the above. You trying to be Psychic too? If so, you better start on some extra classes, your psychic prowess isnt much good in its present state.Thanks for the "proper" answers, they do make some amount of sense as a debate should, and you are entitled to hold/ preserve your view.
That apart maybe what BL, J3D and the others are trying to tell you is that you have often made snide remarks which could well have been avoided, whether be it as initiator or otherwise to a person who had made a very simple query. Its not just you, there are quite a few others too, for example there was this post about what kind of settlement services can one expect - to which a gentleman has replied quite crudely.
Simply put if he couldnt have helped, then the least he (and others in similar cases) could have done was not make the remark which he did.
Anyhow, good luck to you, carry on dodging.
PS- Just a query- Do YOU drink?
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Hello DTC
How was Diwali.
Fine! How was it for u? Hope water, electricity all ok on Dewali for u? No problems with " intoxicated" people at work either?
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i wish i could reciprocate, truth is you arent that significant yet....or ever.
Thanks for that. But I don't think you really mean it because if you did, you would remain out of my soup!
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As regards your "desi boozing" stats, while i could direct you to a govt sponsored paper on alchol consumption, which could offset your google stats but i seriously doubt its efficacy in this (your) case.
Incidentally, googling does not produce stats. It only provides links to pages on the web published by others. Accordingly if you would have cared to notice you would have found that those figures were not "my google stats" but those provided by the UN. I shall indeed be highly indebted if you could ACTUALLY provide your so called "govt. sponsored paper" to offset the UN stats! I am waiting impatiently but I have a strong presentiment that you will not do so.
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Leaving that aside, If what i see around me doesnt count for anything, and we all have to be living by UN stats and internet figures, then the numerous posts which you make on this site (which are growing longer with each passing day) based on nothing but "your personal observations and feelings" aint worth anything at all either including the Commandments by YOU to the effect that only lowly educated/ inexperienced people would be succesful in Canada- unless ofcourse the UN has some thing to say about that , which i doubt they do, then I wonder why i still havent seen any retraction on your part for that yet. You working on that now ?
Not meaning to offend you but tell me do you really frame sentences in your mind before you write or do you just let the applesauce flow as it comes??
Would you also be kind enough to cite my post where, as per your claim, I have given "commandments" that "that ONLY lowly educated/ inexperienced people would be succesful in Canada"??
How do you expect me to retract what I have not written?? And now if YOU cannot give me the cite where I have written what you claim, I hope YOU will be generous enough to post a retraction. I have again a premonition that won't happen either.
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Like you i too have a deep rooted faith in UN facts, Canada with the higher HDI is a better choice
No! I just thought that were also normal like most of us!
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Thanks for the "proper" answers, they do make some amount of sense as a debate should, and you are entitled to hold/ preserve your view.
Thanks for letting me know that my time and effort was not a TOTAL waste on you.
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That apart maybe what BL, J3D and the others are trying to tell you is that you have often made snide remarks which could well have been avoided, whether be it as initiator or otherwise to a person who had made a very simple query.
While they may have been irksome and somewhat stinging when posted in reaction to posts, my remarks have never been snide as opening comments. If you have example that indicate otherwise, I shall be more tha happy to apologize for them if you can be gracious enough to point them out to me. And I still maintain that my remark on the query of atulgs about CAD/UAD conversion rates was not snide. I have also written to BL that if atulgs says that he felt offended I shall have no problems forwarding an apology.
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Anyhow, good luck to you, carry on dodging.
Now that is an unwarranted and "snide" remark, isn't it??
Just kiddin!What have I dodged?
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PS- Just a query- Do YOU drink?
Of course! Why? Arent u going to offer me one??
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Hello DTC
Hi thanks, Diwali was OK. Water & electricity flew quite alright too, which is something. No problems with intoxication this year either, so in all a nice diwali.
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i wish i could reciprocate, truth is you arent that significant yet....or ever.
Posted by DTC
Thanks for that. But I don't think you really mean it because if you did, you would remain out of my soup!
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Yeah, i am beginning to like you actually. No pun and besides I like soup.
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Originally posted by DTC
Incidentally, googling does not produce stats. It only provides links to pages on the web published by others. Accordingly if you would have cared to notice you would have found that those figures were not "my google stats" but those provided by the UN. I shall indeed be highly indebted if you could ACTUALLY provide your so called "govt. sponsored paper" to offset the UN stats! I am waiting impatiently but I have a strong presentiment that you will not do so.
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Yeah you are correct, i wont. Two reasons - one, its going to drag this longer & i am not good at playing this quoting the quote, and secondly i am really getting to like you
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Leaving that aside, If what i see around me doesnt count for anything, and we all have to be living by UN stats and internet figures, then the numerous posts which you make on this site (which are growing longer with each passing day) based on nothing but "your personal observations and feelings" aint worth anything at all either including the Commandments by YOU to the effect that only lowly educated/ inexperienced people would be succesful in Canada- unless ofcourse the UN has some thing to say about that , which i doubt they do, then I wonder why i still havent seen any retraction on your part for that yet. You working on that now ?
Posted by DTC
Not meaning to offend you but tell me do you really frame sentences in your mind before you write or do you just let the applesauce flow as it comes??
Would you also be kind enough to cite my post where, as per your claim, I have given "commandments" that "that ONLY lowly educated/ inexperienced people would be succesful in Canada"??
How do you expect me to retract what I have not written?? And now if YOU cannot give me the cite where I have written what you claim, I hope YOU will be generous enough to post a retraction. I have again a premonition that won't happen either.
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Well, i thought people think before they put down those thoughts down someplace. Doing it the other way round causes threads like these to occur
As for the cites you seek, try the Wisernow - RIP thread, few of your most prominent ones are in there
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Like you i too have a deep rooted faith in UN facts, Canada with the higher HDI is a better choice . So what exactly do you mean by the above. You trying to be Psychic too?
Posted by DTC
No! I just thought that were also normal like most of us! My mistake. I apologize!
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Comeon, are you now saying that you are normal too? Welcome aboard then, join us and lets have a little less of the negativity
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Thanks for the "proper" answers, they do make some amount of sense as a debate should, and you are entitled to hold/ preserve your view.
Posted by DTC
Thanks for letting me know that my time and effort was not a TOTAL waste on you.
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Thank you too, see that. Real nice & pally. This may actually work
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That apart maybe what BL, J3D and the others are trying to tell you is that you have often made snide remarks which could well have been avoided, whether be it as initiator or otherwise to a person who had made a very simple query.
Posted by DTC
While they may have been irksome and somewhat stinging when posted in reaction to posts, my remarks have never been snide as opening comments. If you have example that indicate otherwise, I shall be more tha happy to apologize for them if you can be gracious enough to point them out to me. And I still maintain that my remark on the query of atulgs about CAD/UAD conversion rates was not snide. I have also written to BL that if atulgs says that he felt offended I shall have no problems forwarding an apology.
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Ok thats nice, you admitted part of it. Cool.
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Anyhow, good luck to you, carry on dodging.
Now that is an unwarranted and "snide" remark, isn't it?? Just kiddin!
What have I dodged?
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PS- Just a query- Do YOU drink?
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Of course! Why? Arent u going to offer me one??
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Sure why not. Drinks are on me when we meet up sometime 
You take care man.
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Yeah, i am beginning to like you actually. No pun
You do?? Wow!! Now, I am one lucky SOB to attain that exalted position, aren't I??
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Yeah you are correct, i wont. Two reasons - one, its going to drag this longer & i am not good at playing this quoting the quote,
Oh come come now! Don't be such a spoilsport! Please do send/post those govt. stats that you talked about!
You know what? We could send that info to some good newspaper and have fun watching the UN and the Govt slug it out!
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As for the cites you seek, try the Wisernow - RIP thread, few of your most prominent ones are in there
Well, I did go thro the Wisernow-RIP thread and honest, I could not find anything that justified your allegation. I did not make any snide remarks as an OPENING comment/post. Neither was I the one to start the squabble.
Look, I have never claimed that I have been angelic and holy in my posts. I have had my share of involvement in altercations and spats, and I have enjoyed them. All I am saying is, I have not been the one to initiate such brawls.
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Comeon, are you now saying that you are normal too? Welcome aboard then, join us and lets have a little less of the negativity
Refusing to behave like an ostrich and instead recognizing facts as they are, is not "negativity".
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Ok thats nice, you admitted part of it. Cool.
Sorry to deprive you of the satisfaction, but I admitted nothing!
I only said IF ATULGS says he was offended, I will forward an apology! Lets us first wait for that to happen, and even then I would only have admitted whatever to atulgs. Quote:
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Sure why not. Drinks are on me when we meet up sometime
But I thought you said YOU do not drink!
Take care!
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