UN HDI report 2004
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Posted on: 11-11-04 16:08:32
Ok, whatever you say. Far be it from me to try again 
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
As I have said earlier, the purpose of the report is more for the countries to get an idea of where they need to improve with regard to human development.
Where does the UN say this specifically?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Where does the UN say this specifically?
Maybe not in as many words, but here is what the stated intent is:
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.... every report presents agenda-setting data and analysis and calls international attentions to issues and policy options that put people at the center of strategies to meet the challenges of development today - economic, social, political, and cultural.
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"calls international attention" I think implies calling attention of those who can bring about changes, in other words the governments of different countries. Just as there is the "Global Report" that has been hyperlinked by you, there are also national reports created by the UNDP. Publishing the impact of such NHDRs, one of them says:
"In India, where UNDP supports the preparation of HDRs at the sub-national level, human development analysis and priorities have become an important part of the political discourse and government planning in the states of Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Karnataka, and Rajasthan."
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Diogenes
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The Cynic
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
"calls international attention" I think implies calling attention of those who can bring about changes,
You think! In your previous post you suggested, and I quote
"As I have said earlier, the purpose of the report is more for the countries to get an idea of where they need to improve with regard to human development. "
In your previous post you never suggested that it was merely your opinion.
In any event, where does the UN say that "calling international attention" is specifically restricted to governments?
In your second post on this thread you said, and I quote:
"It is quite obvious, as is also mentioned in the introduction of the report itself, that these reports and measures are more to help the governments of countries identify areas of weakness and help them improve."
I haven't seen this in the introduction to the report.
I now quote from the following webpage:
http://hdr.undp.org/hd/
“Human development……………is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests.”
On another page at the same site
“The Report’s signature trademark, the human development index (HDI), serves as a successful alternative to GNP as a measure of development.”
Canada is no. 4 on this HDI……..
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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This question was also asked by VJ in a post of his. I have explained the “point” to him in that thread. To save you the effort of looking for that thread here is a “cut&paste” of what I wrote to him:
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Dost, isko kehte hain spin
. Here's what you said in THE post I was talking about.Quote:
Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by atulgs
What has been the trend in regard to CAD against USD?
I am always a little surprised when I see such posts. Since you have posted the question on the board, it is obvious that you do have access to a computer and also to the internet. Right? What then prevents you from doing a search yourself on the internet, for the information that you are seeking?? No, I am not trying to find fault or anything. Just curious, that is all! I mean, is it that you do not know how to search, or "google" as they say? Is it that you do not have enough time to look up for stuff on the internet? Does you ISP forbid you from googling?
Do you consider this an apt. reply? Don't tell me you wouldn't throw a fit if someone replied like this to your query, whatever it may be.
And how do you know that the guy only wanted this specific info.? Maybe this was the lead question to another one asking for opinions on investement decisions.
What you're trying to imply is this information's readily available by searching on google. So why should he post this question here? What I'm saying is every piece of information here is available by searching on google. So? That does not stop people from posting questions here.
And my other point was since we're speaking of avoiding redundance, why even have multiple search engines? Since google (the noun, not the verb) is better in most respects than other engines, who needs Yahoo? Or MSN? Or Lycos? And hence the popup remark.
IF the guy asks his question, let him. If no one replies, then I'm sure he/she isn't going to wait on their laurels and give up on life or head for the himalayas. They'll try elsewhere.
You're not trying to save bytes over HTTP, are you?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
In your previous post you never suggested that it was merely your opinion.
It was neither and opinion nor a cite. It was ony a logical deduction after reading the other material available on the UNDP website. And that deduction has been proven to be correct.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
In any event, where does the UN say that "calling international attention" is specifically restricted to governments?
I do not know what you are arguing here? Do you agree that the ultimate goal of the report is to bring about improvement in Human Development? The analysis and data collection is done on a country to country basis. Who else, other than governments of countries, do you imagine can make policies and implement recommendations made by the body ? You?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I now quote from the following webpage:
http://hdr.undp.org/hd/
“Human development……………is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests.”
You quote from a webpage that tries to define and explain Human Development.
Now here I quote from the webpage that is about the report itself:
http://hdr.undp.org/aboutus/
"The Human Development Report (HDR) was first launched in 1990 with the single goal of putting people back at the center of the development process in terms of economic debate, policy and advocacy."
"Each Report also focuses on a highly topical theme in the current development debate, providing path-breaking analysis and policy recommendations."
I wish there was some formatting facilities available here so that I could use that highlight thingy. It says that the report provides "policy recommendations." Pray tell me for whom does it do that?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
On another page at the same site
“The Report’s signature trademark, the human development index (HDI), serves as a successful alternative to GNP as a measure of development.”
Canada is no. 4 on this HDI……..
You make it sound as if I have said somewhere that Canada in NOT no.4!!
The only relevant comment you have madeis in one of your earlier posts where you have given instances of how improved infrastructure can make a difference to the quality of life. Maybe not entirely, but I do tend to agree with that.
My point however is that the type of improved infastructure and facilities you mention are also available in countries that rank a much lower HDI than Canada.
To summarize my argument, immigrating with the purpose of enjoying improved infrastructure and facilities in the developed countries is not the same as choosing Canada because it is ranked 4 by UNDP.
Secondly, the advantage gained in terms of enjoying the benefits of the better infrastructure, sometimes get more than offset by the other problems faced by some immigrants.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Do you consider this an apt. reply? Don't tell me you wouldn't throw a fit if someone replied like this to your query, whatever it may be.
After Diogenes' post, on the USD / CAD thread, atulgs who asked the question returned and posted the following:
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Hi,
you are quite right, i obviously have access to Internet and believe me i am not too lazy to dig out the information myself. Just concerned about the current depreciating trend of dollar and thought you guys in Canada would be more experienced observers of CAD-USD trend. Had I been moving to Europe, i would have saved the money in pounds or Euro. But i am not sure a similar comparison can be made in case of CAD.
Sorry for the trouble!
Incidentally, I did send him a PM shortly after he posted the message, apparently he’s been thrown off enough to not return to the website….
Diogenes, I’m just wondering:
What gives you the right to go around asking people to search the internet for questions that they choose to post here? If you consider the questions to be not worth a response, don’t reply to them.
What gives you the right to suggest to contributors to this website that their positive feedback about this site is hyperbole?
As a software analyst, I don’t imagine that you have any expertise in the currency markets. Do you then consider you reply on the USD / CAD post to be apt?
A question was asked on another thread and you replied with the following:
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How does that matter? The processing is done by their main office and RCMP etc. wherever the hell that is.
What gives you the right to reply in this manner?
Do you consider that your replies on all of the above threads were mean and unbecoming?
And, a question that I asked you before: you use the name Diogenes, do you identify with Diogenes of Sinope?
