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Posted on: 31-12-06 12:56:23
The real world (according to J3D) and the ideal world (according to others). That is the only conclusion I draw from this discussion.
Just wondering the crime for which Saddam was executed was in 1982. US sure did take a long long time to bring him to justice. In the period between 1982 to late eighties the US must have sided with Saddam in many instances. But J3D's explanation of the real world explains the delay.
Thats a nice summation 'the real world'. I have one more theory as to our own self-interest in propping up this 'real world'. This theory is the reason I roll my eyes at the Bush-bashing. Before people gang up on me, consider this scenario:
America pulls out of its meddling ways in the middle-east. As a result Israel falls, the house of Saud and the whole bunch of despots in the middle east fall similarly. What comes in their place? Democracy? NO WAY. We are going to to see hardline islamic theocracies in the middle-east. Western interests there are going to take a direct hit in the first round of the backlash. What happened when the arabs used oil as a weapon(73-74). The price of oil at the pumps? Thats only the beginning. If the west cannot secure enough energy to sustain and nurture its needs...what happens to its economic interests? What happens to Michael Moores interests then 
. When economic prosperity takes a back seat...so does abstract notions like democracy and free thought. What happens to our cars and the prices we have to pay for commodities and luxuries?
Its going to change the whole dynamics of the world we live in with power shifting to the islamic states. China and India will both have to court these states to cater to their own energy needs. You might as well consider saying bye to the hindutva brigade in India....either that or face economic ruin by being starved of energy. The supreme interest of an Islamic theocracy is to spread islam(thus consolidating its economic interests).
Like Bush and Blair, Osama and co is aware of what this change in the world order can do. Similarly, anyone who replaces Bush(democrat or otherwise) is going to be aware of this(if they are not already). They are probably going to spin it better than Bush and company. They will do their best to ensure the world remains 'real'.
So how many of us are ready to sacrifice our lifestyle and the current world order, so that we can ensure 'justice' NOW?
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Think that the conversation has taken a turn towards "ideal world" and "real world". In India atleast we can say moving away from Mahatma Gandhi and his ideals is the main reason for all the chaos and confusion prevailing. Just because we are unable to have an ideal world should we have to go in the opposite direction. Its like taking the same bus route in the opposite direction, from the stop on the other side of the road, just because we waited too long.
Happy New Year 2007.
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Its like taking the same bus route in the opposite direction, from the stop on the other side of the road, just because we waited too long.
Maybe its about taking the only bus route that exists instead of waiting for the non-existing 'utopia 101' bus, until such time as each one of us is ready to put our 'ideals' ahead of our wants. Until we are ready to spend 5$/litre on gas, live in smaller houses, drive smaller cars, smaller tvs etc.. The whole love/freshair bit.
Hey, maybe it'll happen this year.
. Lets be positive...nothing is beyond us.p.s: ofcourse there is the other option that we are used to. Just blame American foreign policy and pretend it has nothing to do with us
. Its more difficult to do that from Canada(knowing that canadian economic interests are tied to that of USA's). But we manage to do so just fine.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Saddam Hussein Hanged for the Wrong Reason
Gwynne Dyer, Arab News
It was not the Iraqi government but its American masters that chose to execute Saddam Hussein in a great rush as soon as the first sentence was confirmed, thus canceling all the other trials on far graver charges that awaited him. The current Iraqi government had nothing to hide if those trials went ahead; the United States government did.
Cast your mind back to the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Washington's pretext for war then was Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, with barely a word about bringing democracy to the downtrodden Iraqi people. But in order to persuade us that Saddam's WMD were a threat to the whole world, we were told a lot about how wicked he was, how he had even "gassed his own people."
Well, there weren't any weapons of mass destruction, so now the script has been changed to say that the war was about bringing democracy to Iraq. But that still requires Saddam Hussein to be a monstrous villain (which he certainly was), and it needs some dramatic supporting stories about how he abused his own people, like his poison gas attacks on rebel Kurds in 1988. So let's try him for the slaughter of the Kurds in 1988, and then we'll hang him.
Fair enough, and the trial for the gassing of the Kurds actually got started a couple of months ago. Other trials, for his savage repression of the Kurdish revolt in 1988 and the Shiite revolt in 1991, were already scheduled to happen in the New Year. But none of that came to pass. All the other trials have been cancelled, and they actually hanged Saddam for the judicial murder of 144 villagers in the town of Dujail who were allegedly involved in a plot to kill him in 1982.
Dujail? Here is a man who began his career in power in the late 1960s by exterminating the entire (mostly Shia) leadership of the Communist party in Iraq, went on to launch an invasion of Iran in 1980 that cost up to half a million lives, massacred his own Kurdish population in 1987-88 when some of their leaders sided with the Iranians, invaded Kuwait in 1990, and massacred Iraqi Shiites in 1991 when they rebelled against his rule at the end of that war. And they hanged him for Dujail?
It's as if they had taken Adolf Hitler alive in 1945, but ignored his responsibility for starting World War II and his murder of six million Jews and just put him on trial for executing people suspected of involvement in the July 1944 bomb plot. With all of Saddam's other crimes to choose from, why on earth would you hang him for executing the people suspected of involvement in the Dujail plot?
Because the United States was not involved in that one. It was involved in the massacre of the Iraqi Communists (the US Central Intelligence Agency gave Saddam their membership lists). It was implicated up to its ears in Saddam's war against Iran - to the point of arranging for Iraq to be supplied with the chemicals to make poison gas, providing Baghdad with satellite and AWACS intelligence data on Iranian targets, and seconding US Air Force photo interpreters to Baghdad to draw Saddam the detailed maps of Iranian trenches that let him drench them in poison gas.
The Reagan administration stopped Congress from condemning Saddam's use of poison gas, and the US State Department tried to protect Saddam when he gassed his own Kurdish citizens in Halabja in 1988, spreading stories (which it knew to be false) that Iranian planes had dropped the gas. It was the US that finally saved Saddam's regime by providing naval escorts for tankers carrying oil from Arab Gulf states while Iraqi planes were left free to attack tankers coming from Iranian ports. Even when one of Saddam's planes mistakenly attacked an American destroyer in 1987, killing 37 crewmembers, Washington forgave him.
And it was George W. Bush's father who urged Iraq's Shiites and Kurds to rebel after Saddam was driven out of Kuwait in 1991, and then failed to use US air power to protect the Shiites from massacre when they answered his call. The US was deeply involved in all of Saddam's major crimes, one way or another, so no trial that delved into the details of those crimes could be allowed.
Instead, the spin-doctors in the current Bush administration put the Dujail trial first and scheduled the trials for Saddam's bigger crimes for later, knowing that they would all be canceled once the death penalty for the Dujail incident was confirmed. The dirty laundry will never have to be displayed in public. But it does mean that the man who was hanged last Saturday morning not only had a farce of a trial before a kangaroo court; he was executed for the wrong crime.
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. But it does mean that the man who was hanged last Saturday morning not only had a farce of a trial before a kangaroo court; he was executed for the wrong crime.
If youd read the thread you would know that most of us are convinced that Saddam was not hanged for any crime.
One of my friends put it well.
"A murderer was lynched by a mob".
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Originally posted by Greyg
Saddam Hussein Hanged for the Wrong Reason
Gwynne Dyer, Arab News
It was not the Iraqi government but its American masters that chose to execute Saddam Hussein in a great rush as soon as the first sentence was confirmed, thus canceling all the other trials on far graver charges that awaited him.
Did anyone know that under the Iraqi law one can’t be hanged if he is 70 year or older. Saddam would have been 70 in April. Any questions why there was this rush to hang him?
