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JRF   
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Location: GTA, Ontario

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 08:24:09

As some where in the thread jake3d pointed out... Its the economy as the summary factor that influences the mightier to plunder (The same was done by Romans, Greeks, Moguls, etc..,) and weak to remain exploited. This scenerio will last for ever and ever, there might be the change of players at some point (I don't really foresee anything at this point). Its a very wrong perception from most of the people to expect peace and justice, wet dream of a world of peaceful Utopia.... certainly it is a Mirage.. we are never going to see one as such never came into being and never going to be.

Another huge misconception. "China and India are going to be Super powers in another 50 years". Its a far cry. Mark my words, USA will remain super power and I am very positive there wouldn't be any contender as the only alternative defiant (Communism) was buried a decade ago. China and India are not really going to be Superpower any time soon. Again the same wealthy people have created this illusion after they've re-adjusted their investment strategy. Their expectation on an average to invest in India and China so that they see a good return. If you or any one really has sufficient facts to back the theory of China and India are going to be the Super Power, bring it on.
China has long relented its Communist policies, Sonia / Manmohan / Chitambaram are earnestly implementing the what is in some one else's agenda. Why would I still think India and China will be a Super Power one day.

The moral of my theory is the same pointed out else where in the thread "Survival of the Fittest", The mightier will continue to march and will always make sure there isn't a resistance to confront....


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Originally posted by Nightmare

Saddam execution is a master stroke of Bush. ( Please note I am no fan I remember when I landed in Canada, I joined as worker in a factory and my collegue, a Pakistani told me that Allah has been most generous and bestowed oil to Muslim countries. I now wonder whether oil has proved to be a gift or curse. certainly in case of Iraq it has proved to be curse which has resulted in millions dying unnatuaral death.

My hunch is that now USA will try to destroy China by dividing it or else will have to play second fiddle to China. However, China's dictators (read communist party bosses) are smarter than Saddam and it will be interesting to watch which country emerges as super power in next 10 years.

Only other threat to their SUPER POWER could have been from India, may be 25 years down the line but Sonia mata and her joker stooge Manmohan (or MADmohan) have accomplished much of task to destroy India in two years(by diving people of India and ensuring that bright people do not come up in life and those who still manage to get educataed, migrate to Westen countries like we all have done) and hence threat has been managed nicely



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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 10:54:54

Quote:
Originally posted by JRF

Another huge misconception. "China and India are going to be Super powers in another 50 years".




I am quite skeptical of that claim too. However, between India and China, I'd bet on China over India. They do seem to have a singular vision. They do not have to bother about change in policy after elections , human rights, democratic process and things like that. e.g: their militiary expenditure is usually much above ehat they present in the Budget. Who the heck can be expected to object :)?

They seem to have a perfect blend of state control and capitalism. Their singular vision has been of promoting Chinese interests for the long term. If you see the military papers coming out of China, one can see that they are gearing up for war with the US...especially over Taiwan.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-08/ChinaMilitary2006-08-21-voa48.cfm?CFID=91568627&CFTOKEN=37013986

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/20/MNG8CDQIK71.DTL

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-12-19/49523.html

What remains to be seen is if the state can maintain such control while the military apparatus achieves the capability to take on the US. At present the Chinese Military is not match for the US military's technological edge.

There are many variables to China becoming a superpower status...however, if they can cantinue on the path they are on now without interruption for about 3 more decades, the next war after the 'war on terror' will probably be the wests 'war on the Chinese terror'.

Heres a nice analysis from the Rand(after Ayn Rand) institute

http://www.rand.org/commentary/080705LAT.html


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 10:56:36

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Originally posted by Nightmare

I remember when I landed in Canada, I joined as worker in a factory and my collegue, a Pakistani told me that Allah has been most generous and bestowed oil to Muslim countries.




There's a joke among Jews that Moses is probably not all that he is made out to be. He walked for 40 years in the desert only to bring the jews to the only place in the middle-east where there is no oil.:p


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JRF   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 11:22:45


I gotta to do little bit of intense digging on the links you've forwarded.

You've also said "Democracy is the reason Michael Moore could make such movies".... Know what, Michael Moore and bunch of other activists are part and parcel of the democracy package being sold in the Market. It poses risk and causes some damages too but the rewards are huge.. .. You can't sell a flawless product, Plant some defects to divert the attention.... Chances are high.

What does Michael moore suggests or his movies lead to. Mostly they pass real absurd message and confusing..
Watch Rogers and me - Can I arrive at a realistic conclusion.
Watch Bowling for Columbine - same
Farenheit 9/11 - same.
Lots of his television programs - same.
Syriana, jarhead etc.., (not his product though) - same..

and I am concluding here without a conclusion, yet to go...


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Originally posted by jake3d
I am quite skeptical of that claim too. However, between India and China, I'd bet on China over India. They do seem to have a singular vision. They do not have to bother about change in policy after elections , human rights, democratic process and things like that. e.g: their militiary expenditure is usually much above ehat they present in the Budget. Who the heck can be expected to object :)?

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-08/ChinaMilitary2006-08-21-voa48.cfm?CFID=91568627&CFTOKEN=37013986

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/20/MNG8CDQIK71.DTL

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-12-19/49523.html


http://www.rand.org/commentary/080705LAT.html</font>


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investpro   
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Location: carl sagan's universe

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 11:26:18

Was Saddam really hanged?

There is the notion that he was whisked away to Montreal to join John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Janis Joplin, Bob Marley, John Bonham and the rest to rehearse for the Big Bang opening act for The Rolling Stones when they return to Canada once again.


5 million people are expected to attend that concert.

That will be a 'mother' of a concert bringing much 'satisfaction' to a multitude of people.:cheers:

Have a grand celebration tonite and wishing you all an exhilarating New Year!:) :cheers:



jake3d   
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Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 11:44:13

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Originally posted by JRF


and I am concluding here without a conclusion, yet to go...




I think we already have the conclussion. Part of being a power is to ensure that the others do not rise up to be able to challenge you. And in worlfd politics...self-interest(rather than justice/democracy) reign supreme.
e.g: Hitler could have gone killing all the Jews and nobody would bother. America and ita allies banded together to protect their own economic/strategic interests...not for the Jews.
Similarly Saddam could continue killing more millions of Iraqis till he threatened American economic interests.

Finally the conclussion maybe that we have to choose which devil we are more comfortable siding with in this battle for self-interests. We probably have to figure out where our own self-interest lie 'within' the two 'just' :) causes presented to us


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JRF   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-06 12:32:10

I can not agree more than what you are saying about the Supremacy being the chief factor and it will always be... I see its importance is missing in the early education and that is quite pathetic.... I wouldn't mind repeating this endlessly...

Justice / Peace / Democracy / Harmony / allegiance, support, protection to community & race all are buzz words... they are targeted to win moral (economical) support from all lazy bums ( making 90% of the world population) but hey you are still given a chance to a bite of the whopping pie that's won and thats the complacency factor behind unscrupulous interests of average citizens....

I might have just rephrased what you said but you've already captured the gist.. except the needed education on this at the earliest..

Bravo...folks....

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Originally posted by jake3d

Quote:
Originally posted by JRF


and I am concluding here without a conclusion, yet to go...




I think we already have the conclussion. Part of being a power is to ensure that the others do not rise up to be able to challenge you. And in worlfd politics...self-interest(rather than justice/democracy) reign supreme.
e.g: Hitler could have gone killing all the Jews and nobody would bother. America and ita allies banded together to protect their own economic/strategic interests...not for the Jews.
Similarly Saddam could continue killing more millions of Iraqis till he threatened American economic interests.

Finally the conclussion maybe that we have to choose which devil we are more comfortable siding with in this battle for self-interests. We probably have to figure out where our own self-interest lie 'within' the two 'just' :) causes presented to us


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