Obnoxious experience at Swaminarayan Mandir


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Charlie   
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Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-07-07 21:19:38

These places are multinational organization. Believe it or not they are not there to be sadhu or saint for you, they are managers and sales staff. If they do not see a prospect in you, no point wasting time looking after your convenience. Visit places like these as any other holiday destination. Enjoy it if you can or walk of to the other attractive location.
Sect in subject is known for their respect for women as proved in Vadtal scandal and love for children as proved in NJ scandal.
Next time take your kids to camp or apple picking farm. Trust me, all of you will return with sweet taste.


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morning_rain   
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-07-07 21:47:58

Quote:
Originally posted by Charlie

These places are multinational organization. Believe it or not they are not there to be sadhu or saint for you, they are managers and sales staff. If they do not see a prospect in you, no point wasting time looking after your convenience. Visit places like these as any other holiday destination. Enjoy it if you can or walk of to the other attractive location.
Sect in subject is known for their respect for women as proved in Vadtal scandal and love for children as proved in NJ scandal.
Next time take your kids to camp or apple picking farm. Trust me, all of you will return with sweet taste.



Then what is the point of having this structure? What do people take away from it? Neither is it in a sacred location ie/ India with all of the relevent history . How does it benefit the community at large?

Temples have a role in the shaping and continuance of a community. In some way they are looked at for guidance by people..

Its not about the external look..it should be about meaning and connection.


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BlueLobster   
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Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-07 08:30:49

Sorry to hear about your experience.

The "prashad" thing is more regional than anything else. Like it or not, mandirs in Gujarat are different in that sense from mandirs in North India that are different from mandirs in South India in handing out prashad. That does not excuse arrogance and rudeness though, I'm surprised at the way they acted with you . I've only visited the temple twice (not the new one that recently opened, the other wing a while back) but my personal experience has been pretty good. I remember the first time we went (my wife and I), as we were leaving, someone came up to us to introduce us to tbe pujari and then asked us to wait and have dinner with about 6/7 of them.

I don't however get the custom of separating men from women within the temple and having different areas. But it is a rule in all Swaminarayan temples and functions and always has been.


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BlueLobster   
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Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-07 09:16:42

Quote:
Originally posted by Charlie

These places are multinational organization. Believe it or not they are not there to be sadhu or saint for you, they are managers and sales staff. If they do not see a prospect in you, no point wasting time looking after your convenience. Visit places like these as any other holiday destination. Enjoy it if you can or walk of to the other attractive location.
Sect in subject is known for their respect for women as proved in Vadtal scandal and love for children as proved in NJ scandal.
Next time take your kids to camp or apple picking farm. Trust me, all of you will return with sweet taste.




I don't think that's fair. I'm not sure which incidents you're referring to, however there's bad apples everywhere in every religion and every sect. You can't paint everyone with the same brush.

If the guards or the temple staff are being rude, the right thing to do would be to write to temple management and make them aware of it rather than blame the whole sect.


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Big Vee   
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Location: Canada-Glorious and Free

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-07 10:16:02


I have little daughter who was 2 when we went to visit the "haveli" (convention centre type facility next to the new mandir). This was a few years ago. My little daughter could not come into the mens section to remove her shoes with me - thanks to the rude and holier-than-thou volunteer in the foyer. Fine, so be it. We were invited to a pooja by a good friend and did not want to make a scene.

There was a staged play in one of the halls and our host asked us to enjoy it before his function got underway. Wouldn't you know it, the men and women are seperated. The men get to sit (on the floor) close to the stage and the women behind them. My daughter joined me and wouldn't you know it, the mandir nazi was on my case. No point arguing with them, I just left the facility.

Since I was leaving the facility anyway, I went into the ladies section, got her little shoes and put them on right there. My little show if defiance. Of course, I now just downright refuse to go there - no matter what.

BV



investpro   
Member since: Nov 06
Posts: 1628
Location: carl sagan's universe

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-07 11:52:32



I just knew it wouldn't be too long before the cribbing started.



jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-07 11:55:49

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Originally posted by investpro



I just knew it wouldn't be too long before the cribbing started.



Hey nothings perfect. Least of all 'organized religion'.


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