I had a fall while skiing once and twisted my leg pretty bad. The knee area was swollen up like a balloon and I decided to go to emergency (for the first time in Canada). I was waiting for about an hour and getting ticked because of the delay when I saw two cops rush in with a young kid who seemd to have a gunshot wound to the head. Needless to say, he was admitted right away and I understood the reason for the delay. Took about 4 hours before I was x-rayed but I was ok with that.

Yes, the system does need tweaking and its not perfect, but I don't think its that bad either. Its actually pretty good considering its free (I know, I know we pay for it in taxes, but the biggest relief is to know that its still available to you when you get laid off and don't pay taxes)

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just few pieces of fact.

# 1. a man in his late 30's working for reliance driving a indiaca given by a company in mumbai living a upper middle class lifestyle came here literally struggled here for 3 years working jobs at tim hortens and recently he got hired by a bank as a trianee . now he is in his early 40's earning $ 12 an hour .

he will be 45 by the time he reaches a decent position giving him the lifestyle he was living already living in india.

# 2. a business man from india earning 25-30 k a month leading a babu wala life style in india came here now he and his wife both are working making just enough to lead a decent lifestyle.But that respect he commanded in India is not here.He and his wife both have to work here still managing lifestyle almost same as what they had in india .

what did they gain my moving here ?
thier ans is nothing and they cant move back now as their kids dont want to move back and now it will be even more difficult for them to move back as they dont have capital to start business.

# 3. a man from pakistan moved when he was 26 and had his share of labour jobs before getting a JOB in CCRA .made good money .his contract expired with CCRA and then he started his coveinience store continued to make good money .
i asked him his opinion on canada ?

ANS - he still feels he was better off in his country because of his the respect he commanded and the so called real happiness being their in his own country.
reason being " aap yahan ke hoon nahin sakte and wahan ke reeh nahin jaate "

# 4.I know people staying here for 30 years and still thinking of retiring in India.

why going back when u have stayed more in Canada then in India .
My mind is still thinking.

# 5. A man had 3 stores in India and is here working and looking for a job and struggling since last 3 years.
wasn't he better off in India.

# 6. I came here and am a student myself.I am looking for a UNPAID internship .and am not able to find one since last 3 months.

# 7. I have a guy from Syria in my class and is in Canada since last 6 years he is still in school because he tried job earlier with his qualification as an engineer from syria but could not find one so he also thought that getting education here would help .he tried it and he like me is also looking for a unpaid placement which he has failed to find.

#8 I know a guy ( white guy ) born bought up in canada studied in sheridan college ( the best in the world for animation ) and graduated 1 year earlier and is still looking for a job and working at Tim Horten's .



There are many more examples that i can give but then it would be too long a post .
I have just landed in Canada in September and i still feel i am yet to feel canada first hand as i am busy with my college.

After reading experiences of people at canadaiandesi.com and then meeting people from all walks of life everyday i cannot help but get a negative impression of canada .correct me if i am wrong .

Now this things have taken its toll to an extent that i am feeling like i will try for few more months and am more worried about getting a Job then getting my Visas extended(which was my prime concern when i had landed)

Imagine a person of Chandresh's calibre(i personally have high regards for him) doing labour jobs and have to struggle in life just becaused he moved to another country.I feel a sucessful person will always be sucessful no matter what he does if u can do it once you can do it twice as well.But if this happens to a person like him then there is something really serious a problem in the system .

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I have two questions

1) Why are all these people still here?

Sorry, I don't buy the "Kids don't want to go back" reason, that just sounds like a convenient excuse. Are they trying to say that their kids are turning a blind eye to their struggles and just saying "I don't care you're packing shampoo bottles, I have a great life here so I don't want to go back"? Do you seriously think parents will put up with that kind of stuff? If a kid has started acting like that in Canada, it may be the foremost reason to go back.

I know my parents would not put up with that kind of stuff, no matter how much they love me. First of all, if I was a teenager and if I saw my upper-middle-class-in-India parents struggling with labour jobs outside of India, I would tell them myself that we should go back. And if I did not and things were that dire, my parents would probably put their foot down and make everyone go back, parents have to make these decisions sometimes for the greater good of the family.

So I find that a rather feeble reason.

I just came back from India and its pretty clear to me why they don't want to go back. I met many "upper-middle-class" Indians there who are dying to come here. I told them how people have to start from scratch and struggle here, their reply was "it does not matter". They're just tired of the endless chaos, the constant corruption, the pollution, the politics etc etc.

I'm not India-bashing here, I love India as much as anybody else on this forum. I had an awesome time there and there are some wonderful things about India that you can never find here. But you can't ignore the problems there, I felt them very clearly in the month that I was there. These are the problems why most people come here in the first place, but they tend to forget about them when they struggle here. They remember them quite clearly if they think about going back though, and that's why hardly anybody goes back.


My second question is
2) Have you ever met anyone who had positive things to say about Canada? Can you list a couple if possible?

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Hi Nishit
No One wants to hear the truth here, my friend . I consider myself a successful immigrant but you are right there are serious problem with the system here and that is the reason I want to move back to india. Been in this country for six year and away from India since last 16 years but I feel it is not worth. I brought up my 9 yo son in a way that he can easily adjust in India. He know the language and he know indian traditions, the only problem he will face would be standard of education as standard of Indian School education is too high if you compare with Canada. He is in third grade and started learning basic multiplications (2X2 and so on) and divisions, but if I work hard with him in India, he would be able to perform at par in any Indian school.

What I think if you can work 16 hours a day, can sustain this much stress and can give your 8 month salary per anum in taxes for 'SO CALLED" best public services, you can be better off in India.

Thanks and regards.
Biomed

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Biomed,

I can see from your previous posts that you have been thinking about moving back for a sometime now. When you do actually move, please post your experiences on the forum. I'm sure a lot of people are eager to hear first hand from someone who's stayed here for so long and is now re-locating. I know I am.

It may also help others who're thinking about moving back but are not sure.

Again, its all a matter of perspective against which no one can argue. If one thinks that he/she is going to be more content with life in India, there's absolutely no reason why he/she should not move back.

Its just that I've met a lot of people who talk about it all the time, but I've never actually met someone who has taken the step. So really looking forward to hearing someone's experiences regarding this....

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Nishit,
I thought you already left. You are still here?
I can give you examples of successful people , who I know personally, in Canada. These are all Businessmen, professionals and educators. Highly placed intheir fields. Just a cpl of weeks ago I, at a party, met 5 professors from the John Molson School of Business (Concordia univ). Including the faculty Chair!!! All of them first generation Indian Immigrants. One of them has pictures of himself with Jean Chretien and has personally met Paul Martin too. He is well respected in the Sikh community here, and is a brilliant man(not just academically). He has been in Canada for about the same time as I have been here.
Think about it. These Indians are the people responsible for teaching other Canadians to be successful!!
I am sure there are a lot more successful people than I personally know.

Also about positive thinking- I consider it a way of life. Not a button you switch on and off and say...ok now inorder to get this job or pass this exam I am going to be positive. After that, I am going to switch the button off and find out some more reasons to blame things around me. I dont think it works that way. Many a time, it may be an uphill challenge to be positive...but it is a way of life. You have to consciously choose to do it. It is especially important to do when things around you look bleak. I strongly believe that, you can see the true mark of a person by the way he behaves when he is in adverse conditions.

Anyway, now that you know more than enough people who are rueing the fact that they are in Canada, I have a suggestion for you. Like BL mentioned in other words...Can you seek out 8 successful people who are happy to be here and write about them too? It may help others and I have a feeling it will help you too.

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