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Originally posted by ILOVENA

With due respect, Tamilkuravan should substantiate his allegations with undeniable proof before making such allegations:

Quote " It is time that we declared our health care system highly primitive and that most of our \"so called\" tax dollars are not going to actually improve the system but rather to some liberal / conservative friendly orgs. for little or no value produced".

I would like you to show on this forum proof that our tax dollars are going to \"some liberal / conservative friendly orgs\" You have a right to rave and rant - but let us not bring this culture of making wild allegations here - we have had enough of that in India. If you do have proof that our tax dollars are filling the coffers of a political party, let us fight this with the proof that anyone would like to see.

So you call this system primitive? Have you been to any Government owned and operated hospital in India? Perhaps you think only of \"corporate hospitals\" when you think of the health care system in India. There is large scale corruption in government hospitals - Some doctors won't take good care of their patients unless they are paid in private (even though they are on the payroll of the hospital) .

The pharmacist and store keeper don't stock many drugs, because they are in existence only on the records - patients are asked to purchase these drugs from the friendly pharmacy across the street. The list of goings-on could be endless!

A free eye camp was held in Nellore (AP) about a week back - Five patients went blind after the surgery. The Chief Minister blamed the \"contaminated intravenous glucose\" for this. He said no charges would be laid because that would \"demoralize the medical community\" So much for the health-care system in India, where a doctor can be negligent and won't have his license revoked or pay a fine for it!

As for why Indian doctors are not allowed to practice here without being re certified - there are many reasons - I can think of a couple.

1. These are barriers put up by the Ontario college of surgeons an physicians. The reasons may be political and the urge for self preservation. That is wrong fundamentally, but as a community, what have we done to address or fight this?

2. We come from a country where chief minister's daughter fails her entrance exam to a course in medicine, and a year later tops the university. This chief minister has a large family - and I guess you know who I am referring to.

In India, if you have the right connections, you could buy a degree, without ever going to school. Quacks practice as regular doctors and if you are from one of the privileged \"backward class\", you just need to pass with about 40 or 50 % marks to get a degree.

With all this going on, how can you expect the government to let Indian doctors practise without a re-certification? I don't know about you, but I'd be wary of meeting a doctor here who is not board certified.

You can argue that wrong things do happen here too. Agreed, but two wrongs don't make a right!

Lastly, Tamilkuravan - you just presented the issues here........ do you have a solution to how we can prevent the spread of H1N1, SARS or the mad cow disease?

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I must unfortunately disagree with tamilkuravan.

1) I said in my previous post that merely bringing up issues will help nobody. Tamilkuravan did not come up with any solution.

Now he writes that \"liberal friendly companies\" benefited from the e-health scandal. Now that piece is not news worthy anymore than what happened yesterday. Tamilkuravan - are you going to start a movement here like Jayaprakash Narain did, in the 70's to cleanse public life in India?.

I would love for you to do that. I am curious to know what your reaction was when the Bofors scandal or the 1500 crore rupees fodder scam happened?

Did you also hear that Indians have 70 lakh crores of rupees stashed in Swiss banks? That is the equivalent of $ 1400 billion. India's external debt is around 570 billion. After paying off the external debt, we would still have about $ 800 billion left to distribute among Indians? Any thoughts about this?

Corruption anywhere must be condemned. That said, the same Indians who tolerated day to day corruption from the ordinary cop to the highest office in India rant about corruption here, WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

Quote \"Our commuinty is the most broken and most jealous in the whole of Canada\".
I assume tamilkuravan meant \"zealous\" and not jealous. Even so, where is the zeal, the spirit and the \"never-say-die\" attitude among Indians to fix the system here? Then again Tamilkuravan contradicts himself when he says \"\"Our commuinty is the most broken\". If we are \"broken\" how can we become one, and fix the system?


More confusion follows:
Tamilkuravan writes \" Even in this board you can see many who will not accept that Canada has cheated professional immigrants (except IT and Finance) or that we need to have atleast a well staffed immigrant settlement booth at pearson. So there is no pssoibility in us being united. i personally have been cheated by a lot of Cd's / immigrants to Canada in real life and so I can attest to this fact.\"

There is fact and fiction in the above. Canada did not cheat professional immigrants, That is nothing but WHOLESOME UNTRUTH. If you came to this country, expecting (and thinking) that the streets were lined with gold, and that you will get hired in your own profession without a challenge, it was your fault - you were coming from one culture to another, and integrating here does take time, patience, commitment and the\"never-say-die\" attitude.

If despite your best efforts you can't integrate into society here or can't find a \"suitable\" job, there are choices - go the US of A, or back home, where you can say \"LAAKHON BE-IMAAN, MAGAR MERA BHARAT MAHAAN!\" In the same paragraph, Tamilkuravan also says that he was cheated by a lot of CD'S....... Am I missing something?

So please stop ranting, and come up with solutions, rather than issues (I'd rather call it an \"issue\" than a problem\".

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Originally posted by tamilkuravan

As I canot post various posts in a short period of time (Restrictions by the system), I am summerising my answer to many comments as follows :

It has been well documented by The Toronto Start that Liberal friendsly companies has a major part in the 1 Billion E-Health Scandel where little or no work was done as on date. Similarly the Conservative proposal for a Universal e- health system for Canada met a similar fate where no work or little work was done for the 380 or 830 million spent.
Canadian system is so defined that even Non-Visible miorities are able to make a change. Time has shown that all parties are of the same colour and so it actually does not really matter whom you vote, you will get the same result. what Canada needs is a revolution or a dictator which is like .000000000001% possibility. Time and time again I have complained to various boards (like hospitals) in writing but recd. no reply.
Our commuinty is the most broken and most jealous in the whole of Canada. Even in this board you can see many who will not accept that Canada has cheated professional immigrants (except IT and FInance) or that we need to have atleast a well staffed immigrant settlement booth at pearson. So there is no pssoibility in us being united. i personally have been cheated by a lot of Cd's / immigrants to Canada in real life and so I can attest to this fact.

Hope this helps.

Peace by a PD

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Firstly its “why do you have so much pride in this country” not proud. Learn English maybe then you’ll have a bit more success here. Why did you come to this country if you wanna make this into india?? This is canada and if u don't like that and wanna make this into india well im sorry then go back to india simple as that or why do u then get canadian citizenship. Accept this country's values and systems if u wanna become this countrys citizen!!


Secondly, my folks are immigrants who left india (thank god) and came to Canada in the late 90’s and well maybe they got lucky or whatever you want to call it have great jobs and have been “successful” meaning the material comforts that Indian associate as success. My dad is a CA, but before coming to Canada he knew that he’s CA designation would not be valid , so at the age of 50+ he did his CPA designation and then when he moved to Canada that CPA helped him get his CGA quickly and thereby within a yr was able to get a Corporate Tax Auditor job in revenue Canada. Well as for me, I did my undergrad degree in Canada, but did my Masters in Australia and then came back home to Canada, so one could say I have a foreign degree, still I had no problems getting a job.
The bottom line is when you go to a store you don’t just buy anything you see; you do your own research and then buy it right, so they if you are going to be moving to a whole new country why don’t you take some time out and do some in-depth research instead of just applying and hoping on a plane and then once here complaining about this place and if this place is so bad then why get this country’s citizenship? The grass is always greener on the other side, you can complain and complain like all you people ever do.
And my proposal we don’t need any more immigrants especially form sounth asia too many to here already. Lets fix the issues here and then we can think of getting more of them.

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Originally posted by web2000


I am telling u what Mahatma Gandhi did (no cooperation)

We should try to promote our culture here rather than adopting Canadian culture

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For that you would have to know your culture first ..... Mahatma Gandhi had a "non" cooperation movement .... but that movement was unsuccesfull and he cancelled the movement. Time to get in touch with Indian history.

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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
cheated professional immigrants (except IT and FInance)

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Originally posted by captainbeam

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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
cheated professional immigrants (except IT and FInance)

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not true for IT any more.
IT pros. cannot get immigration under skilled category any more (except for a very few narroly defined set).
and there are many IT pros. out of work.

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