How dumb the CIC immigration officials are?
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Originally posted by rajcanada
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Originally posted by web2000
Looks like u did not understood my problem.
I am the sponsor of my parents and I have all their information in hand to validate/authenticate myself. I don't know which information they want to protect from me. The information which they wanted to protect was already provided by me when sponsorship application was filed.
If I can update the information on internet by providing the ClientID and some other information then why don't they. When authentication to be designed there should be no difference in man and machine. If I give u my bank card and PIN then I don't think that bank machine can refuse u to withdraw any money. Same is here, If I provide all the information to authenticate then they should not refuse. Think another way, If I don't tell them on the phone that I am not the one who I claim to be and still provide correct information then they will go ahead and do what I wanted them to do.
My main point was that their technique is not correct to protect the information.
Do you think any bank be it be in Canada, US, or India is going to give out information if you called them and said I want to check my parents bank balance. I can provide you with all their information, I am the one who filled the form and they merely signed it, it is the money I send that gets deposited. The answer will be still "no" be it be Canada, US or India.
You have already written in your first post that they were ready to make the change IF you had a written authorization.
Maharaj has summed it up very correctly it is about responsibility.
U should not forget that I am asking the information which I already provided before. In the bank example, I did not know the balance at the first place. In telephone banking, I can easily ask. They will never know if they are talking to the correct person as long as I can authenticate.
Well, I am not here to change the rules/policy.
I just wanted to see the opinions and the way u guys think. This makes me more experienced.
I do not know how u define the privacy. The best example which defines the privacy is your bedroom activities which u never ever disclose to anyone. If u do then it is not private anymore.
Now the following quote needs common sense to understand.
'Private means, u and only u know about it. But here my information is known to many agencies i.e banks,health canada,immigration etc and hence to the thousands of employees who work there and will work in future. This means, thousands of people already know about my information and is not private anymore."
Yellow pages,Google maps (Not even address but 3D view also can be seen of ur premises) provide u the addresses.
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 16-07-10 10:05:27
I highly doubt if they will give immigration information to call centre agents. They could be very well federal govt. employees. Every time I dealt with the fed’s (EI), I had to speak to fed. Govt. employee
Well. Even the Ontario govt. officials think that the federal govt. officials are dumb. I will give you a personal example.
I was on EI and accessed govt. funds to study while on EI. EI is by the federal govt. and funds for study are released by he Ontario govt.. There was an information session (for the release of funds) by an Ontario govt. education min. official. He told me that we were never to mess with federal govt. employee’s as it would be very hard to make them understand anything. He told us that at one time their manager (Ontario govt. employee) spoke with a fed. Govt. employee and after 3 hours of talk on the telephone could not understand what the fed. Govt. employee said nor could they get their point across to the fed. Govt employee. I am sure that the opposite is also reverse.
It was quite amusing to see how a provincial govt. employee said that a fed. Govt. employee was dumb and that they were in a very small circle.
Hope now you understand what the system is all about. A high school diploma can take you to the highest level of civil service in Canada and in 2000 ( I also agree that this was the case in India too in the 60’s and 70’s). And these guys are the same ones that allow professionally qualified immigrants (with Engineering degrees and professional degrees and with tons of experience) to work in factories.
You also have to know that these guys like to play hard too.They work from9-5 and then party each day till midnight in bars. This is unlike India, where professional work forms the core of your life and you spend very less time on partying. You always like to think about your work (even after you return home) and in the after office hours, you still work or research on how you want to work the next day’s problems. Here there is too much distraction. There are too many nice ladies and gentle man (well dressed and well proportioned and fragrant smelling) that it induces you to party. Thus you loose on your professional commitment at work. You become dumb and do the work for the sake of doing it. Most of the people here are concerned with their paycheques whereas in India people think of moving up the ladder. For most Indians a paycheque for a month can last for 2 or 3 months but that is not the case here.
Peace by TK
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Originally posted by rajcanada
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Originally posted by DesiTiger
You guys are all missing the point of the whole debate - The questions is not why web2000 wasn't allowed to change his parent's address. The question is that if he is able to change it online, there should be some process to change it over the phone. As it is, he wasn't "asking" for his parent's address, only providing a new one.
But that's Canada for you. No process is thought all the way through with alternate scenarios. They try to shove a "one size fits all" process down everybody's throats and if a rare somebody complains, it's
a.) Their problem as "nobody else is complaining"
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b.) There will be plenty of people who will come forward to try and justify why this idiotic rule makes "so much sense".
I guess it takes an idiot to understand an idiot
How will it be any different in US if you could care to explain?
In the US, they would have thought of exceptions and associated remedies. There would be a supervisor available instantly incase you were not happy with the options presented to you by the agent.
Ever tried to speak to a supervisor here in Scamada? 9 out of 10 times, the "supervisor is busy and will call you back within 24-48 hrs", and like that ever happens.
A good example is this - Citizenship and Idiot Canada sends me a letter. I never get it..but as per policy I have to wait TWO months before they can resend it. Fine, after two months and still no letter, I call the call center and they promise to send it again. I call after 3 weeks and yes the letter has been sent out and if you still haven't got it, too bad, you have to wait another two months before we will send it out to you again. This happens SIX times!
Yes they did verify my address each time. Finally I had to go to the CIC office in Mississauga and bang on the door untill an officer came out and gave me the lettter. Only took an hour of my creating a scene outside.
Now, in the US .. (and this is based on personal experience)
1. The letter would have been recieved within 2-3 days regardless of where it was posted from
2. I won;t have to wait 2 months for them to send another letter
3. After 3rd attempt, somebody on that side would've said, this si crazy, why don't you come pick it up.
The agent would've approached his / her supervisor on my behalf to explain the problem and request an exception to "the policy".
The problem here in Scamada is that people just don't care. Nobody wants to help you in any way, it's easier to hide behind an idiotic policy and not do your job.
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Originally posted by manserwadekar
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Originally posted by DesiTiger
I guess it takes an idiot to understand an idiot
I guess same is true otherwise, it takes an idiot NOT to understand a sincere worker/effort.
Puhleasee! When was the last time you saw a "sincere worker" here making a "sincere effort"??
Thanks anyway for making me laugh
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
I highly doubt if they will give immigration information to call centre agents. They could be very well federal govt. employees. Every time I dealt with the fed’s (EI), I had to speak to fed. Govt. employee
Well. Even the Ontario govt. officials think that the federal govt. officials are dumb. I will give you a personal example.
I was on EI and accessed govt. funds to study while on EI. EI is by the federal govt. and funds for study are released by he Ontario govt.. There was an information session (for the release of funds) by an Ontario govt. education min. official. He told me that we were never to mess with federal govt. employee’s as it would be very hard to make them understand anything. He told us that at one time their manager (Ontario govt. employee) spoke with a fed. Govt. employee and after 3 hours of talk on the telephone could not understand what the fed. Govt. employee said nor could they get their point across to the fed. Govt employee. I am sure that the opposite is also reverse.
It was quite amusing to see how a provincial govt. employee said that a fed. Govt. employee was dumb and that they were in a very small circle.
Hope now you understand what the system is all about. A high school diploma can take you to the highest level of civil service in Canada and in 2000 ( I also agree that this was the case in India too in the 60’s and 70’s). And these guys are the same ones that allow professionally qualified immigrants (with Engineering degrees and professional degrees and with tons of experience) to work in factories.
You also have to know that these guys like to play hard too.They work from9-5 and then party each day till midnight in bars. This is unlike India, where professional work forms the core of your life and you spend very less time on partying. You always like to think about your work (even after you return home) and in the after office hours, you still work or research on how you want to work the next day’s problems. Here there is too much distraction. There are too many nice ladies and gentle man (well dressed and well proportioned and fragrant smelling) that it induces you to party. Thus you loose on your professional commitment at work. You become dumb and do the work for the sake of doing it. Most of the people here are concerned with their paycheques whereas in India people think of moving up the ladder. For most Indians a paycheque for a month can last for 2 or 3 months but that is not the case here.
Peace by TK
I cannot tell u my business secret of success but one thing I can tell u that more and more these people be dumb the better we immigrants will be. In my business when my target people(Customers) were smart, I was loosing money and then once I changed the target, profit was everywhere. So, I will always want these people and their generations to remain dumb.
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Originally posted by DesiTiger
Puhleasee! When was the last time you saw a "sincere worker" here making a "sincere effort"??
Last night (early morning), my neighbour got a roadside parking ticket at 3:00 AM. Saw the sincere worker taking careful notes of plate. He always parks in driveway but from willl never miss a day/night
.Here are some instances:
1) Did not have plans from builder for house, called city, for 20 bucks they had a very nice stack of papers ready for me when I walked there with receipt.
2) Property tax guys charged extra instead of charging builder, gave me the complete record of payments for 3 years (around 10 pages) for 5 bucks.
3) Came drunk from Toronto took Mussusaga transit late night (first time on transit)..the guy not only told me where to get down but made sure that the taxi was available at that spot. (he wouldn't have waited long but he made is best attempt to server better).
