How dumb the CIC immigration officials are?
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Posted on: 15-07-10 15:59:04
May be little off topic but true:
If parents decide to leave separate from the sponsor , even than CIC never gives out parents address ( nor can be updated by sponsor ) . If they decide to go on welfare than , the bills are sent to the sponsor every month even though he might not know their whereabouts .
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Originally posted by web2000
Looks like u did not understood my problem.
I am the sponsor of my parents and I have all their information in hand to validate/authenticate myself. I don't know which information they want to protect from me. The information which they wanted to protect was already provided by me when sponsorship application was filed.
If I can update the information on internet by providing the ClientID and some other information then why don't they. When authentication to be designed there should be no difference in man and machine. If I give u my bank card and PIN then I don't think that bank machine can refuse u to withdraw any money. Same is here, If I provide all the information to authenticate then they should not refuse. Think another way, If I don't tell them on the phone that I am not the one who I claim to be and still provide correct information then they will go ahead and do what I wanted them to do.
My main point was that their technique is not correct to protect the information.
I know exactly what you mean ...
But if you go on the other side of the phone - you'll see that how the perspective change.
When Impersonate comes with all the correct information then ooopppssss too bad. But they can't pass on the information knowing that the person calling is not "authorized" even though the person has all correct information.
Thing is - who the heck cares to protect our information ... its all about who takes the responsibility. Provider will not take at any point - its always customers.
As I said, its all about CYA ...
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Originally posted by AshwaniG
May be little off topic but true:
If parents decide to leave separate from the sponsor , even than CIC never gives out parents address ( nor can be updated by sponsor ) . If they decide to go on welfare than , the bills are sent to the sponsor every month even though he might not know their whereabouts .
There is some information which cannot be changed in any case even if my parents are living with me or not, i.e. PPT info, Immigration doc info whcih I know because I sponsored them. How can u protect that?
Even address is traceable.
That is why I started this topic to address that they do not use their common sense. The information which they to protect is already created by me.
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Originally posted by web2000
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Originally posted by AshwaniG
May be little off topic but true:
If parents decide to leave separate from the sponsor , even than CIC never gives out parents address ( nor can be updated by sponsor ) . If they decide to go on welfare than , the bills are sent to the sponsor every month even though he might not know their whereabouts .
There is some information which cannot be changed in any case even if my parents are living with me or not, i.e. PPT info, Immigration doc info whcih I know because I sponsored them. How can u protect that?
Even address is traceable.
That is why I started this topic to address that they do not use their common sense. The information which they to protect is already created by me.
My friend, you are now starting to understand the stark, sad truth about this country, common sense is very very uncommon here
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Originally posted by web2000
Looks like u did not understood my problem.
I am the sponsor of my parents and I have all their information in hand to validate/authenticate myself. I don't know which information they want to protect from me. The information which they wanted to protect was already provided by me when sponsorship application was filed.
If I can update the information on internet by providing the ClientID and some other information then why don't they. When authentication to be designed there should be no difference in man and machine. If I give u my bank card and PIN then I don't think that bank machine can refuse u to withdraw any money. Same is here, If I provide all the information to authenticate then they should not refuse. Think another way, If I don't tell them on the phone that I am not the one who I claim to be and still provide correct information then they will go ahead and do what I wanted them to do.
My main point was that their technique is not correct to protect the information.
Do you think any bank be it be in Canada, US, or India is going to give out information if you called them and said I want to check my parents bank balance. I can provide you with all their information, I am the one who filled the form and they merely signed it, it is the money I send that gets deposited. The answer will be still "no" be it be Canada, US or India.
You have already written in your first post that they were ready to make the change IF you had a written authorization.
Maharaj has summed it up very correctly it is about responsibility.
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This is called privacy laws my friend. Even if it was your spouse or kid over the age of 18 and unless they dont have authorization to speak to you on their behalf they wont talk to you. Privacy laws are federal laws that everyone example federal officials, insurance brokers etc etc must obey and follow or else they are jeopordizing their licenses/job.
You guys are all missing the point of the whole debate - The questions is not why web2000 wasn't allowed to change his parent's address. The question is that if he is able to change it online, there should be some process to change it over the phone. As it is, he wasn't "asking" for his parent's address, only providing a new one.
But that's Canada for you. No process is thought all the way through with alternate scenarios. They try to shove a "one size fits all" process down everybody's throats and if a rare somebody complains, it's
a.) Their problem as "nobody else is complaining"
and
b.) There will be plenty of people who will come forward to try and justify why this idiotic rule makes "so much sense".
I guess it takes an idiot to understand an idiot
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