Can \"over2canada\" please specify whst does he mean by saying multiplying faster than cockroaches\"?
Are you talking about muslims multiplying faster than cockroaches?
Just because some muslims are taking religion in a different way does not change the real meaning of the religion which stands for peace.
And also again killing animal in a halal way does not mean reciting a few verses from Quran. It is considered the most hygenic way of kiing an animal to eat by providing the animal less pain. This is proven by many world renowned scholars. Again you must have seen many muslims eat in KFC , MC or other joints, it is upto them whether they follow the religion or not. by the way most kfc's are selling halal chicken and so are most pizza joints. if there is halal pepporoni, its either beef or sometimes chicken is added to it.
This document below is for all those who are thinking that muslims kill the animals in the most painful way:
The matter was studied by a German Professor Scientist Wilhelm Schulze and his colleague Dr. Hazim at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study: 'Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive bolt pistol stunning) and Muslim Ritual (halal, knife killing) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves' concludes that Islamic slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal.
In the study, several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks. Some animals were then slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and the carotid arteries as well as the trachea and esophagus (Islamic method). Other animals were stunned using a Captive Bolt Pistol (CBP). During the experiment, an electroencephalograph (EEG) and an electrocardiogram (ECG) recorded the condition of the brain and the heart of all animals during the course of slaughter and stunning.
The results were as follows:
I - Islamic Method
1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.
2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to the large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.
3. After the above-mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.
4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving a maximum amount of blood from the body thus resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.
II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning
1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.
2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.
3. The hearts of animals stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Islamic method resulting in the retention of more blood in the meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.
III. Indian Method of \"Jhatka\"
Islamic slaughter involves the detachment of the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This method results in the rapid gush of blood draining most of it from the animal's body. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. If the spinal cord is cut, as in the case of Hindu slaughtering commonly known as \"Jhatka\" the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest thus resulting in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. The blood must be drained completely before the head is removed whereas in Jhatkas the body gets paralysed and meat becomes stiff. Blood also coagulates in capillaries which do not purify the meat as blood acts as a medium for microorganisms germs, bacteria, toxins and other waste products; Islamic slaughtered meat also remains fresh longer as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
Islamic slaughtering of animals is a blessing to both the animal and to humans alike. For animals it is the most painless form of killing and for human it is the most hygienic form of meat.
Again \" Islam stands for Peace\" every muslim believes in it.
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Posted on: 03-09-10 13:01:58
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Originally posted by samna1978
Islamic slaughtering of animals is a blessing to both the animal and to humans alike. For animals it is the most painless form of killing and for human it is the most hygienic form of meat.
Again \" Islam stands for Peace\" every muslim believes in it.
Isnt the biggest blessing to an animal to not kill it at all? whichever method one wishes to argue is the best?
Peace means non violence. Any killing of any living creature is violence, no matter how sugar coated or research supported it is.
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Originally posted by samna1978
Again \" Islam stands for Peace\" every muslim believes in it.
I am yet to meet that "every" muslim till date. Haven't read about that person in history books also. Will look for that person in future.
Do anyone here have idea why allaha started 5 times prayer??
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Originally posted by over2canada
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Originally posted by samna1978
Again \" Islam stands for Peace\" every muslim believes in it.
I am yet to meet that "every" muslim till date. Haven't read about that person in history books also. Will look for that person in future.
Do anyone here have idea why allaha started 5 times prayer??
1. Brother there are true muslims everywhere, one should actually have the eye to look for them not just look at them for mocking. The best book if you are really interested in knowing about Islam is Quran , you can read the English version of it. Dont worry by reading a Quran one does not become a muslim, its the following the path of Allah is what makes one a true muslim.
2. Coming to the answer for your 5 times prayer question:
The purpose of prayer is to remind muslims to thank Allah for all the blessings and that in to seek guidance from Allah to keep showing us the right path. Prayer is a means to make us remeber that there is a supreme power that we must not ignore. By having prayers spread throughout the day(5 times), one keeps rememebering Allah is his/her every act which prohibits the person from committing any sins.
Its like how many people would commit a crime if they knew the judge was watching them?
Almost all the other religions of the world have prayers, its just the way one offers is different. But i think every religion has asked its followers to remember God and offer prayers.
I hope have answered the question to the best of my knowledge.
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Originally posted by morning_rain
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Originally posted by samna1978
Islamic slaughtering of animals is a blessing to both the animal and to humans alike. For animals it is the most painless form of killing and for human it is the most hygienic form of meat.
Again \" Islam stands for Peace\" every muslim believes in it.
Isnt the biggest blessing to an animal to not kill it at all? whichever method one wishes to argue is the best?
Peace means non violence. Any killing of any living creature is violence, no matter how sugar coated or research supported it is.
Interesting to know that killing of any living creature is violence, in that case
it is a universal fact today that even plants can feel anything and almost everything.
Much of the human nutrition depends on plants either directly or indirectly.
Brother, It is not compulsory to have meat to be a muslim. One can eat veg food and be a true muslim too.
Thanku Samana_1978 to explain this issue with proffs of medical research, I think it could clear many confusion, but if someone dont like to think , its upto them.
our one member (morning_rain) expressed their views , not to kill living.....
dear member u know what plants are also living thing, so tell me how u will surview how u will live ur life even somebody totaly depends on vegitibles.
One more think 70% of food stuffs comes from water in form of seafood, nobody shows their concern how they catch fishes, wht kind of trap used to kill fishes,...................
Regarding 5 times prayers, let me add one more think other than to show humbleness in presense of God, there would some medical effects on human body by doing prayer,. B/c these prayers are not only to sit in and receit. Its a kind of ur physical excersise with different postures.
Not only for prayers, there are some medical benefits on human body to do abulution (Wazu --- washing face and hads in proper way) I will attched this in detail later on.
Again I am requesting all people, No body can stop u having hate felling in their heart again any community but at least one should be little responsible to express personal views on public forum.
Think many times while using bad names for others. Muslims are not insects. if some are black sheep, they are not representing Islam, U know friends what is bad luck most of Muslims countries have Oil , its a big wealth. To capture thos assest super power can plan any game to let down them to break up them .
What did u see after 7 yrs Iraq war, any body has guts to ask, were it human way to kill thousands for none, where are so called weapon of mass destruction.......
And later regarding twin towers we see many times a documentry on CBC, what actualy it was..........................
Recent history are proofs.
Thanku again
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Originally posted by aslam_ca
our one member (morning_rain) expressed their views , not to kill living.....
dear member u know what plants are also living thing, so tell me how u will surview how u will live ur life even somebody totaly depends on vegitibles.
One more think 70% of food stuffs comes from water in form of seafood, nobody shows their concern how they catch fishes, wht kind of trap used to kill fishes,...................
Thanku again
And who told you eating sea food/meat is good...it's most un-civilized and barbaric way of leading life.
try to live as a good human...follow the principal "LIVE & LET LIVE"
do not create pain to others...if you dont want suffer in your life
Billions of hindu's worldwide living better life.....they are vegetarians....
no wonder they are considered most tolerent-peace loving people in world...they merge in any society/community/country..without any issue...no one feel threatened when they see some indians living in neighobourhood.
this is how a good human shd lead his/her life...without spilling blood of others..regardless human or animals.
Like morning_rain said..no argument/research can justify killing of innocent life.
Ahimsa (non-violence) is the only way to lead holy life
anyone (incl non-muslims too) who involved in killing or eating meat is a barbarian...and he/she has nothing to do with god/allah/ ishwar....you guy's are just brainwashed by maulvi-mullah or your society
brother, in this whole conversation, you are the only one who is calling us with all sorts of names like barbarians or uncivilised people.
we have never called a person following other religion with this name.
Just look at the difference and the teachings.
Brother, every human has the right to explain things in his own way. We believe in the supreme power Allah who is the creator and we just believe in one book Quran and we do not need any human scientists to prove that how and why universe was created. All the answers are there in our one book.
Please do not call human beings as barbarians and hurt sentiments. You have quoted that we have killed innocent people, let me remind you what was the fault of thousands of innocent muslim iraqis? why did the US bombed and killed them for 7 years and now after the destruction is done they have left?
floods and natural disaster can affect any place and country. it affected even usa remember katrina and what do you say about tsunami? where most of asia was affected which included hindus,muslims and christians.
any human being can mix with anyone, he does not have to be a hindu or muslim to get mixed. the important thing is about the other person's perspective toward the human race.
