Posted on: 22-10-04 13:13:57
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Not relevant to me?
Of course not!! What happened between me, the mod and the issue has absolutely NO relevance to you! No it does not!! GET IT??
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
You've just spent the past 3 days pontificating to all and sundry about how they should behave on the board, and at the same time, you had 2 different aliases that you were using!
Isn't that hypocrisy?
Hang on, hang on? What's this about "hypocrisy" damnit? You do have the uncanny ability to get under people's skin, don't you?
As wisernow I was only posting on those threads that I had gotten into with that username, and I see nothing wrong with that. Did I, with two userids say things that were different? Did I as DOC "pontificate all and sundry about how they should behave on the board" pontificate any different as Wisernow? Did I make any contradictory statements anywhere?
Listen to the mod crenshaw, and move on! Get a life man! And if you want to fight, welcome to PM.
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Just to add - I am a successful first generation past middle-age immigrant. When I came here 6 years ago I was past 40. I landed a well paying job in a reputable company within a couple of months of landing here. So what? Should that be taken as a rule? No. If you want me to be honest, I will say with certainty, that it is more of an exception. I was just plain lucky!!! And this is what I want to convey that despite my success, I do not want to encourage people to come to Canada. Here I would like to clarify a very important point. The "not encouraging" gab is not for the whole spectrum of immigrants. The people I do not encourage are only those
1. who have a reasonably successful career in their home country
2. those who are middle age or over
3. those who have well paying and reasonably secure jobs back home.
People who belong to this above category are the most likely to feel miserable and defeated if they come to this country.
It is perfectly ok to think of immigration and come to Canada for people for whom one or more of the following is true:
1. Less than 30 years of age.
2. At most are in first few years of their career building.
3. Do not have a lot to lose even if they are forced to start from ground zero.
4. Have not had much of a taste of seniority and a successful career as a manager and above in their home country.
5. Are willing to re-educate themselves.
6. Have children that are young(<10 years of age) which gives them sufficient time to save for the post secondary education of their children.
7. Do not have well paying jobs in their home country.
8. Are not likely to feel depressed if forced to work in menial jobs e.g labour, cab drivers, Tim Hortons, security guard, telemarketing etc.
9. Do not have sound post secondary qualifications.
Maybe I could add more, but I will leave that to fellow desis.
What I am trying to say is that, not everyone should, or need be, discouraged. It is a certain sub section of the population that has to look at this business of immigration with adequate caution. This lot of people who think that because they have been successful in their home country, they will also be successful in Canada, need to be warned and at least not encouraged.
To summarize what I have said, the sob stories and failures are not directed for the entire population and are not meant to demoralize the whole lot. If you belong to one or more of the categories listed in the latter section above, you are most certainly welcome to Canada. You are quite likely to be rewarded! But if you are not in one or more of the above, then please...stop...think...think again...and again....and again...only after that proceed! Not to imply that you are definitely going to be a failure, but yes...chances are more that it may not turn out as you expected.
I did stop posting after BL's comments but you just revived this point by your comments:
I draw attention to one post as Wisernow that immediately catches the eye:
On the thread that is now known as "Why professionals want to come to Canada", you posted your personal experience saying that you came in as a middle aged person etc, and that you attributed your "success" to luck. I have copied that post above for your reference. As Diogenes, you believed that personal experiences should not be posted, see your comments in the post below.
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I have been going over several posts and have observed the deep polarization between those who think that Canadian immigration is a dream gone sour and those that think that immigration was the best thing to happen to them. I have observed and watched the war between the two sides. And it has indeed made me very worried!
In my opinion, all these overt exchanges and posts, both negative and positive, should not be allowed on the board. It is wrong, immoral and even sinful in a way, to discuss or give unrestrained personal opinions on a public message board, on sensitive and delicate issues like job prospects, opportunities, odds and chances of failures or success for potential immigrants etc. etc.
IMO the board, should strongly desist from posts that in any way convey personal views, opinions, experiences etc, IRRESPECTIVE of whether the experiences were good or bad, but that in any way have the potential of influencing the decision making process of immigrants especially with regard to their job prospects and future chances of success in this country. It is important to realize how serious a potential for damage is created by posts of the type that express opinions of individuals in this extremely critical territory. It is very possible that after exposure to these posts that speak good/bad about immigration, a naive and unsuspecting immigrant may get sufficiently influenced to affect or alter his/her decision of moving to Canada. It could happen that an immigrant who until now was hopeful of getting a job after immigration, and who possibly would have only if he had moved, changes his mind and drops out after reading the “negative” posts. By the same token imagine someone who until now has only been toying with the idea of immigration but now gets carried away by the positive posts, becomes over confident, chucks away everything and lands up in Canada only to realize that he has managed to ruin his life. Because of the gravity of the consequences, opinions on these matters should be reserved until expressly requested by individuals, and even then the exchange of information, offer of advice or narration of personal experiences, whatever, should be maintained at the level of the participants only.
Since every individual is different, and there is no common yardstick that can be applied to all, it is essential that all potential immigrants judge prospects for their future on their own merit, develop and use deductive logic most suitable for themselves, conduct their own research, talk to others and learn from experiences if they have to but ensuring that it is done at a personal level, use rationale and intellect, and not be misled by individual stories of either success or failures!
Last but not least, it is the responsibility of this board to eschew posts that are qualitatively aligned either way, and have the slightest potential of influencing people’s decisions on matters as serious as immigration. It is a dangerous and unethical game played unknowingly by unsuspecting players that could claim the futures of unsuspecting victims and is equally bad for both sides. Please stop these overt discussions, before you have the blood of people’s ruined lives on your hands.
I rest my case!
Crenshaw,
While i will say you have a way of writing posts that tends to irritate people (I am not saying they are wrong posts - they do carry logical and positive thinking), I would like to commend you for the sharp eye, good memory and as they say in accounting terms, an eye for the details that you have!!!
On a lighter note - are you really employed or not? The quickness with which you reply/comment seems you are on CD most of the times! I am sure you must be the guy with highest average of posts per day (as at the time of writing it is 6.39!!!) which more than 4 times that of Garvo and almost 5 times that of Blue Lobster who has crossed in 1k mark today!!
Or you have got a job with CanadianDesi
Hey.......that's just pulling your leg man.
Chandresh
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Orginally posted by chandresh
Crenshaw,
While i will say you have a way of writing posts that tends to irritate people (I am not saying they are wrong posts - they do carry logical and positive thinking), I would like to commend you for the sharp eye, good memory and as they say in accounting terms, an eye for the details that you have!!!
On a lighter note - are you really employed or not? The quickness with which you reply/comment seems you are on CD most of the times! I am sure you must be the guy with highest average of posts per day (as at the time of writing it is 6.39!!!) which more than 4 times that of Garvo and almost 5 times that of Blue Lobster who has crossed in 1k mark today!!
Or you have got a job with CanadianDesi
Chandresh
Well chandresh, before you go around drawing some funny conclusions………
Just so you know, that’s one of the joys of having a job where I’m paid to crunch numbers and nitpick for a living. My job also involves long working hours and a fair amount of down time, as people take time to respond to questions that I raise – so I bounce on and off the internet to keep my mind in overdrive. Typical posts usually take about 2 – 3 minutes each. I only ever comment on active topics, so reading time is minimized. All taken together, I don’t spend more than an hour actually on the site (even though I sometimes leave the browser window open, therefore may appear to be around).
The past 2 weeks, I’ve actually been browsing the net for statistics, which is a great mental exercise for the lunch break, as I eat in my office!
Perhaps I should pull your leg a bit soon………
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I did stop posting after BL's comments but you just revived this point by your comments:
Why do you resort to lying? No you didn't stop posting! In fact you went off to another thread on the subject of "personal attacks" and mentioned this incident there, blowing it all out of proportion!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I draw attention to one post as Wisernow that immediately catches the eye:
On the thread that is now known as "Why professionals want to come to Canada", you posted your personal experience saying that you came in as a middle aged person etc, and that you attributed your "success" to luck. I have copied that post above for your reference. As Diogenes, you believed that personal experiences should not be posted, see your comments in the post below.
Yeah so? I still don't see what you are trying to say. In the post as wisernow, I have indeed said that I have been successful although I was middle aged, and I do not deny it. Is that narration of experience. Did I make any mention of what I was, and how I presented myself in interviews, or what I said, or where I worked and how it helped me get the job, what one should do to be successful etc etc? In fact, I have gone on to say that what happened with me should NOT be considered typical. It is more of an exception. Where have I tried to influence someone by quoting my experience? The rest of the post consists of my idea if who are more likely to be successful and who should think many times before taking the plunge.
Heh..I wonder where Chandresh finds your eyes "sharp".
As DTC or as Wisernow or as myself, I do feel that personal experiences narrated in away that can influence people are dangerous! I hold that view and I am entitled to defend it.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I rest my case!
There WAS no case to start with and so what is there to rest??
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Fellas, enuff said on this matter, let's put a stop to this. I will now start enforcing this.
Let Wisernow RIP.
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Are you there?
Not on the subject that was being discussed, but I would like to put something in the right perspective. I had said that I was successful. I would like to correct that.
To be honest, I have NOT been successful. What I HAVE been successful is only in getting a well paying job in a decent company. However, that is not what I call being successful. Reiterating what I had posted quite a while ago in one of the threads, I think everything considered, I have lost in actual terms and so I consider myself not successful.
That's all. Just wanted to put things in the right perspective, because for a lot of people, getting a decent break is considered being successful. Not me.
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