Posted on: 22-10-04 17:00:23
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Just wanted to put things in the right perspective, because for a lot of people, getting a decent break is considered being successful. Not me.
Very well said - something I myself had put on net yesterday but the post was lost soon after it was put on the net! Success is when you as an individual feel satisfied of having achieved something - not necessarily your dream, but something which makes you feel good!
Chandresh
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Not on the subject that was being discussed, but I would like to put something in the right perspective. I had said that I was successful. I would like to correct that.
To be honest, I have NOT been successful. What I HAVE been successful is only in getting a well paying job in a decent company. However, that is not what I call being successful. Reiterating what I had posted quite a while ago in one of the threads, I think everything considered, I have lost in actual terms and so I consider myself not successful.
That's all. Just wanted to put things in the right perspective, because for a lot of people, getting a decent break is considered being successful. Not me.
Very interesting. I wanted to say this but I didnt want to end up in a long protracted arguement .....
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Not on the subject that was being discussed, but I would like to put something in the right perspective. I had said that I was successful. I would like to correct that.
To be honest, I have NOT been successful. What I HAVE been successful is only in getting a well paying job in a decent company. However, that is not what I call being successful. Reiterating what I had posted quite a while ago in one of the threads, I think everything considered, I have lost in actual terms and so I consider myself not successful.
That's all. Just wanted to put things in the right perspective, because for a lot of people, getting a decent break is considered being successful. Not me.
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I would say this conveys the image of a man whos down to earth yet ambitious, honest, isnt easily satisfied with whatever comes his way and is hopefully on the way to higher/ better things in life. A go getter inother words.
Some great men have thought this way! No pun!
Also, in the past few days we have all seen DC with his passionate discourse on being careful with posts too. Counting on that actually.
After the sad demise of wisernow- may he RIP-I had sent a PM to DC offering my condolences and hoping that we would get to know each other better- hope that he got it.
Anyhow i was glad to see DC have a full recall of his past life on this thread (albeit after the moderators caution which is why I took the liberty to reply- Sorry BL)
So i thought maybe DC and i could agree that-
1. There is no single definition of success- what may be success for DC may not be for SF and vice versa. The same template cant be applied for all.
2. That some immigrants may well be happy with a "well paying job in a decent firm" atleast to start with. Some may chose to remain so satisfied thereafter while others may continue to kindle the desire to advance in their hearts. Is any of them a failure?
3. It would be at the very least be an unfair statement that only lowly educated people with not too much experience would fare well in Canada.
4. That his decision in this thread to call himself as a "loser" after comparing what he has now to what he had earlier- is a purely a personal matter, similar to his decision of choosing to call or not call himself “successful” earlier. Some immigrants may not wish to be quantified into a pass/ fail criteria at all, but see life as a continuing process instead with such phases in it.
5. The "discontent" of some with their present level of attainment (of whatever it may be money, status, power, job satisfaction etc) can not be singly attributed to the “system” and allowed to appear rigged. The system most have acknowledged does accords reasonable opportunity to an immigrant to secure a job provided s/he can show attitude, ability, skills for the job which DC acknowledges too.
We have had billions blaming the Indian govt for unemployment- what’s been the outcome? Getting a job to feed oneself (which is important) and striving for something higher even while doing that job are two different things- happens everywhere.
Because it happened to some of us - we considered immigration, some who arent happy with that step after having taken it are striving for even more in their life. Maybe DC is one of those too. Even in India we have engineers working as UD clerk, doctors sitting out side RTOs stamping driving license medicals for Rs 50, IT guys in administrative posts, MBAs in low paying jobs etc. So by that scale, India is equitable with Canada, if not worse.
If we can agree on this then we may also be able to agree that the post by wisernow in which there were 10 or so commandments about who would fare better in Canada(one in which he said that only lowly educated less experienced people should migrate, others shouldnt)- was all a personal feel on wiser’s part and undesirable by reborn DC's rules recently propogated on the site - so then maybe we can see the earlier post by the late wisernow who would have left the editing rights to DC in his last will & testament, being suitably amended. The replies to it would be amended too 
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Thats what we look forward to DC- live up to his own first words as DC which were
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I quote DC "IMO the board, should strongly desist from posts that in any way convey personal views, opinions, experiences etc, IRRESPECTIVE of whether the experiences were good or bad, but that in any way have the potential of influencing the decision making process of immigrants especially with regard to their job prospects and future chances of success"
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And there were others by DC like the ones below, which convey DC's true spirit-
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Really!?? You will sleep in absolute peace and comfort, with not even a hint of guilt, even though you got to know that someone read your post, relied on your comments, accepted what you said, took you for your word, and ended up destroying his life as a result.
No offense meant but that does look like a lot of apathetic attitude, no?
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" Did I, with two userids say things that were different? Did I as DOC "pontificate all and sundry about how they should behave on the board" pontificate any different as Wisernow? Did I make any contradictory statements anywhere".
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" Where have I tried to influence someone by quoting my experience?
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"It is very possible that after exposure to these posts that speak good/bad about immigration, a naive and unsuspecting immigrant may get sufficiently influenced to affect or alter his/her decision of moving to Canada. It could happen that an immigrant who until now was hopeful of getting a job after immigration, and who possibly would have only if he had moved, changes his mind and drops out after reading the “negative” posts."
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So we are going to see those posts being edited suitably. Right DC?
They need to be edited- some people were even talking of quoting it! Not DC's/ wisernows' fault- and even though negativity is a desirable virtue on the forum nevertheless people do get misled with such statements.
While we wish the new DC all success in his quest for the higherdom and attainment of whatever it is he wishes to attain in this life on this board as well as the real life, we await a small nod on the above- after all thats what DC's (re) birth is all about- being fair and not helping to form a bias.
Long live D the C !
Incidentally DC don’t you think you have been spending quite a lot of time on Canadiandesi lately 
– reminds us of our old friend Wisernow
Sorry BL, I thought some clarifications were warranted here.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Why do you resort to lying? No you didn't stop posting! In fact you went off to another thread on the subject of "personal attacks" and mentioned this incident there, blowing it all out of proportion!
There were no lies. BL's post saying that we should move on was made at 11:34 am on Friday. My posts on the "Personal Attacks" thread were made at 9.57 and 10.02. I posted again at 11.18 am on the "personal attacks" thread to bump the thread to the top on the Wonder Balloon issue.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Yeah so? I still don't see what you are trying to say. In the post as wisernow, I have indeed said that I have been successful although I was middle aged, and I do not deny it. Is that narration of experience.
Your first post as Diogenes said, and I quote:
"IMO the board, should strongly desist from posts that in any way convey personal views, opinions, experiences etc, IRRESPECTIVE of whether the experiences were good or bad, but that in any way have the potential of influencing the decision making process of immigrants especially with regard to their job prospects and future chances of success"
The post that you made as Wisernow suggested that people who met certain criteria that you laid down should reconsider their immigration. Making that comment that certain people should reconsider their immigration is nothing but INFLUENCING their decision. The posts as Wisernow and Diogenes put forward different viewpoints!
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Did I make any mention of what I was, and how I presented myself in interviews, or what I said, or where I worked and how it helped me get the job, what one should do to be successful etc etc? In fact, I have gone on to say that what happened with me should NOT be considered typical. It is more of an exception. Where have I tried to influence someone by quoting my experience?
I didn't either. I put down some suggestions on a job search onto a thread that asked the question of what people should do in Canada. I put a statement down on that post that said those techniques may not work for everyone.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
The rest of the post consists of my idea if who are more likely to be successful and who should think many times before taking the plunge.
In much the same manner as my posts consist of my idea who is more likely to be more successful in a job interview!
You try to identify people who should think many times before taking the plunge. That is called influencing their decision!
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
As DTC or as Wisernow or as myself, I do feel that personal experiences narrated in away that can influence people are dangerous! I hold that view and I am entitled to defend it.
Good for you. Apparently not too many people may share that view.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I rest my case!
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
There WAS no case to start with and so what is there to rest??
See the above
