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Posted on: 30-07-05 23:06:22
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Orginally posted by mercury6
I dont know. YOu asked me and I replied. Take it for FWIW.
Now tell me after we have rid the world of Al Qaeda, what positive steps are you going to take or think should be taken to solve the core problems.
Just say it, I wont question its worth.
Just due to self-interest and due to free thought and accomodating diverse views...which is an inherent part of democracy, the west will make sure that the causes that gave rise to terrorism will not happen again. All this is in the realm of 'hopefully'. The democratic system allows for accomodating and revisiting the injustices of the pasts e,g: affirmative action, native reservations(ok a bad example
)However, if alqaeda has its way...you see any hope for dialogue?
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Did I say that?
Boy, you are bent upon proving that I am somehow esposuing the cause of terrorism.
For the Last time The grievances of extremists and moderates are common in some repects. The difference is that moderates want to achieve it peacefully and establish a democracy, while terrorists want to do it violently and establish a theocracy.
Who wins , time will tell and then we all can look back and see if we were right.
The london bombings were an extremist action. We were discussing the same. You are the one who bought 'moderates' into the discussion. When i talk against the RSS i aim only for the extremists...i do not debate about the 'moderate' hindus who may hold the same greviances.
When someone talks against the stormfront, the 'moderates' dont threaten to turn racist even though they may not always support 'affirmative action'. You see what I am saying?
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So they are misformed but they are doing the right thing also by protesting the war....????
did I say that...you will not see me in those protests
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Ask the Americans if they remember the Taliban. I remember them and how they were formed and who sponsored them.
weve been through this...its come back to bite them and they are dealing with it.
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You cant deal with the issues of terrorism and whats happening in the Arab world separately. You have to go at them with the same passion at the same time.
Hoping that once we are rid of terrorism and then we can all sit down and figure out the rest of the problem is not goin to work.
Sooner or latter you are going to have to deal with the issues.
then there will be no terrorism , no al qaeda , no me not you. Just the problems staring back. No escape then..
I agree. Read on
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I am saying nothing of that sort. Show me where I am saying that.
This is where you are faltering. You are repeatedly insinuating that I am speaking for the terrorists, wher as I am speaking for the moderates, who happen to have common grievances. Get it?
This thread was about the london bombings... I have repeatedly drawn a distinction between the terrorists and the moderates. Praising moderate actions. Condemning the terrorists. I am continuously showing the differences between the two. You are the one keen on similarities.
When the klan or stormfront does a lynching...everyone HAS to condemn the same...inspite of holding some similar views(e.g christianity, affirmatie action)
I somehow dont think we are going to agree on this one. Since we have spent so much time...i think we should meet to settle the issue mano-a-mano.
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Yes we can meet. Though I can guarantee you will win.
I am a thin , sickly person, while you are a big boy.
Give me some time to practice those neat "Flying dragon, leaping tiger" moves.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Yes we can meet. Though I can guarantee you will win.
I am a thin , sickly person, while you are a big boy.
Give me some time to practice those neat "Flying dragon, leaping tiger" moves.
not gonna help.
I can probably bench you then. I like it when the scales are tipped in my favor. I'm going to up my protien supplements just in case
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Orginally posted by mercury6
The govt is representative of the people here, so the common man does not need to whine all the time. So America invaded Iraq, this seems to be what the majority wants. The govt acts on behalf of majority of the people. And we all know how much power they have to act.
Ok, so what happens in cases where the govt. does represent the people, however there isn't enough military might to fight back? Is that reason enough for regular people to become suicide bombers?
What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Japanese did have a govt. that represented them. However they knew full well they did not have the military might to do anything. They surrendered. So going by the "use history" logic, Japanese citizens should've become suicide bombers?? Because the govt. did not represent them now and there was no recourse?
You don't need me to tell you how the Japanese rebounded, do you? First, they they moved on. And then they staged their own American conquest of sorts...the economic one. You never once heard them blame all their problems on America.
And the whole issue about moderates and liberals somehow "losing it" and joining the extremists is nonsense. i.e. unless they don't really like the moderate or liberal lifestyle they live. It'd be the equivalent of saying "I'm concerned that if the Iraq invasion continues, moderates will start shooting at themselves."
There's really no justification for terrorism! No matter which way you look at it.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Ok, so what happens in cases where the govt. does represent the people, however there isn't enough military might to fight back? Is that reason enough for regular people to become suicide bombers?
What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Japanese did have a govt. that represented them. However they knew full well they did not have the military might to do anything. They surrendered. So going by the "use history" logic, Japanese citizens should've become suicide bombers?? Because the govt. did not represent them now and there was no recourse?
You don't need me to tell you how the Japanese rebounded, do you? First, they they moved on. And then they staged their own American conquest of sorts...the economic one. You never once heard them blame all their problems on America.
And the whole issue about moderates and liberals somehow "losing it" and joining the extremists is nonsense. i.e. unless they don't really like the moderate or liberal lifestyle they live. It'd be the equivalent of saying "I'm concerned that if the Iraq invasion continues, moderates will start shooting at themselves."
There's really no justification for terrorism! No matter which way you look at it.
I said what I had to.
I am not justifying anything. You are not reading me properly...see above response to Jake's post.
The moderates will not become terrorists, they will simply give up with the terrorists on one side and the west up to their tricks on the other side. They will just give up..i.e become lifeless, unproductive, useless while living, in their eyes the west will be as credible as the terrorists.
BTW, interesting thing about the Japanese is that they had suicide squads (kamikaze) before Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Whether this was planned or just a last ditch desperate measure, I dont know.
And just to be clear , I am not suggesting that dropping nukes on the mid east will rid them of this scourge.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
not gonna help.
I can probably bench you then. I like it when the scales are tipped in my favor. I'm going to up my protien supplements just in case
Its going to be a cage match....the only way you can win is to get out of the cage. do you see what that means in relationto this discussion?
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Orginally posted by mercury6
The moderates will not become terrorists, they will simply give up with the terrorists on one side and the west up to their tricks on the other side. They will just give up..i.e become lifeless, unproductive, useless while living, in their eyes the west will be as credible as the terrorists.
Lifeless, useless, unproductive? Not sure where that came from. Regardless, I don't think there are too many moderates in that part of the world who actually look at America favorably or give it much credibility anyways.
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BTW, interesting thing about the Japanese is that they had suicide squads (kamikaze) before Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Whether this was planned or just a last ditch desperate measure, I dont know.
Not on civilian targets.
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