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Orginally posted by mercury6
Tony Blair and the Mayor of London , among others have said that the reason for terrorism is or has been western foreign policy, recent and some not so recent.
Tony Blair actually differed with Ken Livingstone (the mayor of London) on that.
Unfortunately, the type of ‘education’ that many madrassas put out ensures that an entire generation of Muslims is being brought up with a view of perceived injustices against their community. One shouldn’t be villifying the entire community, but the sooner that changes, the better!
True, I meant the Blair acknoledged that they have to do more than just treat terrorism at face value and that there is a reason or connection with whats happening in Iraq and other places. The mayor was more clear about what he wanted to say.
Yes, madrassas need to either change or go.
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Posted on: 25-07-05 18:10:29
This guy doesnt even look Asian:
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Mercury and Sirs,
I am not sure if the picture that you posted is that of the victim or his brother but to me he looks like a Pucca Muslim Pakistani or Middle eastern Fellow.
No mistake of the police that they thought that he was a terrorist.
As per hindu vedas " It is better for an Innocent person to perish than for a village to perish"
Thank you sirs,
TK
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Posted on: 25-07-05 18:15:37
Aha..time to post the Tavleen Singh article !
madrassa's..the breeding ground for all the Friendly Folks we see all around...What do they teach in the Madrassa's ? 
...Something abt a ...well read on Tavleen Singh's article..... As I said..No respite for these scum bags... The only know the language of the Gun...so let them live by the Gun and Die by the Gun.... (afterall ...something is waiting for them at the gates of heaven !)...
John Ashcroft..George Bush..Hats off to you... I really like The republicans after 9/11...Hate the Democrat sissies !
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This week I really had no wish to write about Islam and terrorism. Yes, my mailbox was filled with letters from angry Muslims and there was at least one death threat, but had bombs not gone off again in London I would have preferred to write about something else. Once the bombs went off, mercifully killing nobody this time, there was no choice but to return to the subject of Islamic terrorists because events usually dictate the subject in a column like this.
Let me begin by quoting Christina Lamb who in last week’s Sunday Times (London) described a visit to a madrasa she calls the ‘‘Eton of budding Islamic warriors’’ — the Darul Uloom Haqqania in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province. During my visit to our own Darul Uloom in Deoband I caused too much aggravation to get into conversation with the students so I was unable to gauge their general knowledge or general understanding of what lies outside their 7th century world. Christina Lamb had more luck and this is what she writes, ‘‘The teenagers I spoke to were unable to do simple calculations and had never heard of dinosaurs. They laughed uproariously at the idea that man could walk on the moon. When I asked what they wanted to be when they graduated, they talked of becoming mullahs. One or two spoke of embracing shahadat, martyrdom, and of going to Paradise with its 72 virgins, almost as though this world was just a grade to get through.’’
It is my humble submission that given an education system of the madrasa kind you could turn Pravin Togadia and Ashok Singhal into Islamic suicide bombers (Allah be praised) and Bal Thackeray into a mullah.
I have said it before and I will say it again, madrasas can only breed fanatics because it is fanaticism that automatically comes to little children who are taught that they belong to the only perfect religion in the world and that all they ever need to learn is the Koran by rote because what knowledge can exist beyond a book written personally by Allah.
After last week’s bombings in London our friendly neighbourhood military dictator went on international television to aver, as he usually does after an act of terrorism, that Pakistan would never allow itself to become a breeding ground for terrorists. What he did not mention was that he has little control over the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) government in his Northwest Frontier Province which just passed (July 14) the Northwest Frontier Province Hisba Act, 2005 which will effectively set up an Islamic government of Taliban genre. When it becomes law, one of the first things that will happen is the creation of a governmental department to ‘‘discourage vice and encourage virtue’’. Sound familiar? A mullah will be appointed to head it and his job will be the protection of Islamic values and traditions according to the rules laid down by the Prophet 1400 years ago.
This cleric or Mohtasib will be helped by Hisba (Islamic) policemen and he will effectively become the Supreme Court in the NWFP. What can General Musharraf do to stop the official Talibanisation of one of his provinces? Nothing. What is likely to come out of the Islamic regime that the MMA government is setting up? More Islamic terrorists because undoubtedly all schools will be made to teach the madrasa way and graduates from this system of education are unemployable except as mullahs or suicide bombers.
What can us infidels do to protect our heathen temples and heathen way of life from the jehad brewing next door? Quite a lot if we can persuade political leaders like Sonia Gandhi and Mulayam Singh Yadav of the dangers of patronising mullahs and madrasas in an attempt to set themselves apart from what they call ‘‘communal forces’’. There is an urgency about producing a White Paper on madrasas that the ‘‘secular’’ political class remains oblivious too.
It is not just government though that has a responsibility to bear, moderate Indian Muslims do too and so far there is no indication that they are doing anything beyond being apologists for their more rabid brethren. When Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was trying to hijack the Sikh religion prominent Sikhs spoke out openly and often. Khushwant Singh needed 24-hour police protection because of his views and your humble columnist was threatened with dire consequences after a piece I wrote called ‘‘Why I am ashamed to be a Sikh’’ caught the good Sant’s eye.
As for Hindutva, on a daily basis in the Indian media you see it attacked. The likes of Togadia and Thackeray have been demonised and the RSS is routinely attacked for spreading hatred and poison. The early attacks always come from Hindus.
Moderate Muslims rarely speak out against the Islamists and the handful that do nearly always add a ‘‘but’’. Terrible what is happening in London but America is to blame. Terrible that small children should be killed by suicide bombers but what about the children dying in Iraq and Palestine. Indian Muslims do not add Kashmir, foreign Muslims do. As soon as a ‘‘but’’ gets added you get justification for evil deeds and an evil ideology of hatred and violence.
An ideology that is being generated by the sort of madrasa Christina Lamb visited in Akora Khattak. If that is the Eton of budding Islamic warriors then our own Darul Uloom in Deoband is the Harrow. I, heathen and unveiled, did not have much success in unveiling its curriculum but I am sure a Muslim journalist would have more success. Why does nobody go? Where do our combatants against communalism disappear when it comes to combating communalism of the Islamic kind?
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Posted on: 25-07-05 18:24:01
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This guy doesnt even look Asian:
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Mercury and Sirs,
I am not sure if the picture that you posted is that of the victim or his brother but to me he looks like a Pucca Muslim Pakistani or Middle eastern Fellow.
No mistake of the police that they thought that he was a terrorist.
As per hindu vedas " It is better for an Innocent person to perish than for a village to perish"
Thank you sirs,
TK
Hmmmmmmm now who does this look like ?....Mods..any idea ?
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It would be interesting to see how many terrorists or suspects are actually product of madrassas.
Madrassas is another problem. More symbolic of resistance among some muslims to modernize.
Over the past century with the west giving them enough cause, they have hardened into a breeding ground for extremists. But madrassas did not start as such.
Read on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrassa
The word madrassa in the Arabic language (and other languages of the Islamic nations such as Persian, Turkish, Indonesian etc.) means "school." The word can also appear transliterated as madrasa, as madrash, or as madressa. The word is used in Arabic (مدرسه
in all the contexts that the word school is in English: for private, public and parochial schools, and for any elementary or secondary schools, whether Muslim, of other religions, or secular. Like the word school in British English (as opposed to American English), madrassa is not used to refer to a university. (The word for the latter would be Jamia.)
In traditional contexts where governments do not supply education, religious establishments have taken the role of running educational systems. In this context, madrassa refers to an Islamic school for Muslims, just as parochial schools for Catholics or yeshivas for Jews. All of these institutions are responsible for general education, but also have the purpose of teaching children about religion. In the case of madrassas, Islam.
Both males and females attend traditional madrassas: they sit in separate classes to learn in an Islamic context. A madrassa typically offers two courses of study, a "hifz" course to memorize the Qur'an and become a hafiz, and an Alim course to become a scholar or mullah. A regular curriculum includes learning Arabic, Qur'an memorization and interpretation, Islamic law, hadith, and the history of Islam. Depending on the individual madrassa, it may teach additional courses like Arabic literature, English, science and history.
People of a variety of ages attend, and many often move on to becoming imams and sheikhs. A mullah typically requires more than 12 years of study. Many huffaz, or people who memorize the entire Qur'an, come from madrassas. Some madrassas resemble colleges, where people take afternoon classes and some reside in dormitories.
An estimated 10,000 madrassas operate in Pakistan. Contrary to some media reports, only 0.3 percent of Pakistani children of school-going age are enrolled in madrassas according to Pakistan's 1998 Population Census [1]. Unverifiable estimates place enrollment at 1-1.5 million children although the 1998 Population Census found only 150,000 children. Orphans, migrants, and part-time students may explain the discrepancy. Regardless, madrassa enrollment is relatively insignificant in percentage terms.
A number of madrassas also exist in North America and in Europe. The oldest madrassas still exist today in the Middle East. They take in orphans and poor children, and provide them with an education.
Recently, some people have come to see madrassas in a negative light, amid accusations that many of them indoctrinate students with extremist views. Some have accused extremist madrassas and "Deobandi seminaries" of fostering the Taliban's reactionary policies during its rule in Afghanistan.
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Ok, keep popping the zits (terrorists) instead of treating it at its core (Policy).
Of course the first is unavoidable now, but you would have to do something about the latter, sooner than later.
BTW, 911, Iraq and Afhganistan are very recent events.
You would have to go to WWI to understand how things have shaped up in the Mid-East (or the correct term would West Asia).
Inorder to be able to do something about the latter...one has to pop out the zits. Else the zits cover the face and popping them will be like carving out the face. So sooner one gets down to getting rid of zits the better.
And forget about WW1(which incidentally was one of the causes for the rise of hitler and his 'reasons' for powergrab), be it islam or democracy the ultimate aim is control of resources. We can argue about right and wrong...going back to the 12th century when islam was at its zenith. There were still 'opressed' and 'opressors'. One cannot blame all the problems of the islamic world on the west , just as one cannot blame the british rule of the indian subcontinent on only the British. They had a lot of help from the 'natives'.
We can even debate till kingdom come about 'cause and effect' and 'historical rights and wrongs' . The fact is that there never was an utopia. Every system and ideology as interpreted by man is only as strong or weak as the self-interest driven individual. As such there always were the have and havenots.
It would be awesome if we can all agree and get along. However, that is a long way from happening as long as extremists on both sides have their way. We keep hearing the 'need to understand the opressed' only from one side.Under such circumstances...my self-interest lies in the preservation of the western way of life(as we commonly define it). Any appeasement of the extremist(whatever their raison de'tere) is detrimental to my way of life. I'd rather try to solve the problem(and pick out the zits) under a Secular democracy(with all its flaws) than under a caliphate overseen by the likes of Osama or Omar. Under one of the system there atleast is a way to 'consider' the views of the 'other side'(like you and many britons are still doing).
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Its really sad that an innocent man got killed. What's perplexing is that the plainclothes officers didn't nab him right away, they actually let him board a bus!! If they suspected him all along, why did they let him board a bus?
At the same time, if you look at this from the London police's perspective, they must be under TREMENDOUS pressure right now. Both from people and politicians. And this was a fatal mistake they made. That's not solace to the grieving family, but its the reality of the world we live in today.
Rather than take sides here, this as a terrible tragedy in incredibly trying times for the English. Whether they be white, black or brown.
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