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Posted on: 28-07-05 17:08:37
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
What's perplexing is that the plainclothes officers didn't nab him right away, they actually let him board a bus!! If they suspected him all along, why did they let him board a bus?
That's exactly what I have been wondering! Why doesn't ANYONE answer that?????
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
What's perplexing is that the plainclothes officers didn't nab him right away, they actually let him board a bus!! If they suspected him all along, why did they let him board a bus?
That's exactly what I have been wondering! Why doesn't ANYONE answer that?????
A feeble attempt WAS made
. They had not suspected him all along. They started tailing him after he came out of an apartment complex which was under surveillence. That guy had the bases loaded against him that day.Quote:
Orginally posted by jake3d
The cops are losers either ways...if they exercised restraint on the bus...you ask why. My answer is.. because they were not sure. If they were they would have probably arrested him before he hit the road to the bus wouldnt they?
They probably had not seen his electricians tools/wires whatever until then. Maybe they were trying to make sure. All maybes I'm not those cops so i'm not sure.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Who gave them the guns?
Is that an attempt to say these are extremly stupid people and now that you've given them guns, all they can do is fire? What's the point of this anyways?
The reality is we're in 2005 and despite all greed and differences, the world is headed towards a collaborative global economy where the power scale is not hugely tilted toward the west. Its also a world where democracy is inevitable. What these retards want is to turn the clock 5000 years back because the current environment cannot afford them the absolute power they crave. At the root of all this is the lust for power, religion is only a medium. And the most effective one at that.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Is that an attempt to say these are extremly stupid people
No.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
and now that you've given them guns, all they can do is fire?
What else can one do with guns?
Unless, they are are also into the american hobby of collecting guns.
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What's the point of this anyways?
If one thinks they are gun happy people, why give them the guns?
At one time there was relative peace in Afganistan. The only problem from the point of view of the west was that the government wasnt quite upto their ideological standards, i.e. there was a communist government. The Americans decided that this was wrong, so they supported these people against the russians. Well, we all know what happened after that.
I am telling it just to make the point and not because you dont know this.
While I understand that we should look forward and be optimistic and all that, there should not be an attitude of completely ignoring the past.
Infact policy makers almost always never do so. Whether they use it to learn from it or just as a reference for what can happen if such and such action was taken, is another matter.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
If one thinks they are gun happy people, why give them the guns?
I know you are trying to say that the western govt bears some responsibility for the scrounge of terrorism. That is undisputable...we all are responsible.
However, note that its not 'poor afghans' who are now commiting the acts of suicide bombings in the west.
I fully agree that we have to look at our part in what the world has come to. Learn from it so it does not happen again.
What I do not agree with is ...oh yes they were wrong
BUT...
These fanatics are smart enough to take advantage of such 'sensitivity' to their concerns. Infact, thats how they have been able to get wellto-do western bred youth to join their cause.
Do we always give the same treatment to other criminals like rapists, serial killers, etc? Or do we condemn their actions totally thus giving them no room for moral justification(though they may have had a history of abuse/grievances-real or imagined). If we did that...i'm sure we'd be emboldening many of the borderline cases. The problem needs to be cured before it can be prevented from happening again. No amount of 'understanding' is going to change the minds of people like bin-laden.
Understanding them is emboldening them.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I know you are trying to say that the western govt bears some responsibility for the scrounge of terrorism. That is undisputable...we all are responsible.
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What I do not agree with is ...oh yes they were wrong
BUT...
Well, we are not all responsibe...
In this sorry episode the Afghans (and on a broader level the Arabs) and the west are responsible.
Its as if they met their match.
And Its impossible to tell who the victim is in all of this.
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