Posted on: 28-10-09 14:29:26
So frustrating to read the spectrum scandal by the politician. Sadly, these folks will go scot free.
The article is quite large, hence not copy pasting. If you are interested to know about what happens back there, you could use the link below to read.
Telecom is a sector in India which is bound to grow exponentially, no wonder the parties are very specific about that portfolio. Isn't Mahajan made Ambani(s) touch new heights.. It is Rasa's turn to make the M.K family.
The same old century long extortion by the East India company and Mughals are done by folks inside now.
http://jgopikrishnan.blogspot.com/2009/03/spectrum-scandal-and-telecom-ministers.html
JRF.
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The cowards never started,
The weak died on the way,
Only the strong arrived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK1i9cLAMM
Facing allegations of irregularities in spectrum allotment, telecom minister
A Raja on Friday hit out at the BJP saying free distribution of radio frequency among operators during the National Democratic Alliance regime may have cost the country over Rs 1.6 lakh crore (Rs 1.6 trillion).
Alleging that the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance regime had distributed for free, 250 mega hertz of spectrum among the telecom operators, he told reporters, "The scam during the NDA regime could be worth much more than Rs 1.6 lakh crore."
Asked about demands for his resignation, he replied: "I will not step down." Raja debunked charges of Rs 60,000 crore (Rs 600 billion) spectrum scam levelled by BJP against him and said, "Ours is a government that has followed all rules to the letter and spirit by following the recommendations of the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India."
Pooh-poohing BJP leader Arun Jaitely's allegation, he said, "The BJP leader himself had defended a major operator in court. . .
"During the NDA regime, 250 MHz of spectrum was distributed among the operators without any charge. 900 bands of spectrum, which was not to have been allocated, was given as additional spectrum... This is the biggest scam."
Raja charged the NDA regime with reducing licence fees several times and accused it of ignoring rules in allotment of spectrum.
"Whereas there was no provision for giving spectrum beyond 4.4 MHz to any single operator, the then government distributed this frequency much beyond this limit and it did not get any revenue share when the spectrum was given beyond 8-10 MHz," the minister said.
At the HT Leadership Summit on Friday, finance minister Pranab Mukherjee [ Images ] came to Raja's defence, saying allegations of corruption was not proof of corruption.
The opposition parties have been calling for Raja's resignation ever since CBI searched offices of the telecom ministry and some private mobile operators last week over allegations that spectrum was allocated to new operators at dirt-cheap prices, causing a loss of over Rs 20,000 crore (Rs 200 billion) to the exchequer.
Link>http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/30/tech-raja-accuses-nda-of-rs-160000-crore-scam.htm
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BeeBee
The jeep Scandal in the 60's then the Nagarwalla scandal in 1971, the Bofors scandal in 1990, the Bombay Stock Exchange Manipulation scandal (involving big bull Harshad Mehta) in 1992...... then the fodder scam in 1996, the telecom scandal in the same year involving politician Sukh Ram.......... and now this spectrum scandal......... Not much has changed in India.
Before my friends draw their guns in support of India, I must say that Canada has had it's share of scandals., greed is universal, and knows no geographical boundaries). Also two wrongs don't make a right.
What pains me is that we in India have become desensitized to rampant corruption . We don't bat an eyelid because the thousand of rupees in the 60's are akin to the crores of rupees now. In the singular pursuit of wealth and power, many Indians have become so thick skinned - this too will blow away.
I remember how Indians made a big deal of the 60 lakhs that Rustom Sohrab Nagarwala, from R&AW, collected from Ved Prakash Malhotra,the chief cashier of SBI, parliament street branch by \" allegedly mimicking the voice of Mrs. Indira Gandhi\".
The money was allegedly supposed to be used by the then Mukti Bahini in its guerrilla-liberation campaign from West Pakistan.
Then the 63 crores that changed hands in the Bofors scandal was followed by the telecom scandal involving Sukhram, a politician......... what happened in 1992 was much bigger in size keeping in view the inflation & the heightened greed in public life. The fodder scam involved a sum of 1500 crores.
And (not finally) this scam involving 60 thousand crore rupees........ Nothing will happen to those involved. At best, there will be a public inquiry, and a few millions spent on it and the report will gather dust for ten years.
Nagarwalla in the 60 lakh rupee scandal in 71 died in jail mysteriously, and Sukh ram was awarded 3 years jail (upon which he came out on bail). In effect, no one has been punished for being corrupt........ Indira Gandhi was famous for defending corruption by saying that it was a \"global phenomena\".
So while we discuss, rave and rant about the scam, the 60 K crore rupees that have changed hands have already been parked in a remote island or in a swiss bank to be used by future generations.
Kuch nahin honay wala bharat mein, corruption ka........... (sigh!)
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Originally posted by ILOVENA
The jeep Scandal in the 60's then the Nagarwalla scandal in 1971, the Bofors scandal in 1990, the Bombay Stock Exchange Manipulation scandal (involving big bull Harshad Mehta) in 1992...... then the fodder scam in 1996, the telecom scandal in the same year involving politician Sukh Ram.......... and now this spectrum scandal......... Not much has changed in India.
Before my friends draw their guns in support of India, I must say that Canada has had it's share of scandals., greed is universal, and knows no geographical boundaries). Also two wrongs don't make a right.
What pains me is that we in India have become desensitized to rampant corruption . We don't bat an eyelid because the thousand of rupees in the 60's are akin to the crores of rupees now. In the singular pursuit of wealth and power, many Indians have become so thick skinned - this too will blow away.
I remember how Indians made a big deal of the 60 lakhs that Rustom Sohrab Nagarwala, from R&AW, collected from Ved Prakash Malhotra,the chief cashier of SBI, parliament street branch by \" allegedly mimicking the voice of Mrs. Indira Gandhi\".
The money was allegedly supposed to be used by the then Mukti Bahini in its guerrilla-liberation campaign from West Pakistan.
Then the 63 crores that changed hands in the Bofors scandal was followed by the telecom scandal involving Sukhram, a politician......... what happened in 1992 was much bigger in size keeping in view the inflation & the heightened greed in public life. The fodder scam involved a sum of 1500 crores.
And (not finally) this scam involving 60 thousand crore rupees........ Nothing will happen to those involved. At best, there will be a public inquiry, and a few millions spent on it and the report will gather dust for ten years.
Nagarwalla in the 60 lakh rupee scandal in 71 died in jail mysteriously, and Sukh ram was awarded 3 years jail (upon which he came out on bail). In effect, no one has been punished for being corrupt........ Indira Gandhi was famous for defending corruption by saying that it was a \"global phenomena\".
So while we discuss, rave and rant about the scam, the 60 K crore rupees that have changed hands have already been parked in a remote island or in a swiss bank to be used by future generations.
Kuch nahin honay wala bharat mein, corruption ka........... (sigh!)
Which one we should follow from the following..
1. You pay the bribe (don't care about the tax) and get ur job done. So those who will have skill and can earn money will get the job done faster and those who will not have money will wait in queue and will be served accordingly.
2. You are not allowed to pay the bribe(Illegal) and forced to pay heavy taxes for the services which u do not intend to avail. But by chance if u need the service then u wait in the same queue as other people who did not pay the tax for any reason.
For me bribe and taxes are synonyms. Think, think, think.... and u will realize it.
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Which one we should follow from the following..
1. You pay the bribe (don't care about the tax) and get ur job done. So those who will have skill and can earn money will get the job done faster and those who will not have money will wait in queue and will be served accordingly.
2. You are not allowed to pay the bribe(Illegal) and forced to pay heavy taxes for the services which u do not intend to avail. But by chance if u need the service then u wait in the same queue as other people who did not pay the tax for any reason.
For me bribe and taxes are synonyms. Think, think, think.... and u will realize it.
Your analogy is interesting and liked your realism, but I would still go with the second option. Bribe and Taxes are not synonymous at all. For one, bribe doesn't go into the betterment of the system and building a better infrastructure for the common man to use, while Taxes do. Your first option although works, but only for a miniscule population who are in 'Haves' category. What about the majority of the population of 'have not'? To think that countries like India, Pakistan, and B'desh where curruption is rampent, don't have taxes is foolish enough. At least when I am paying taxes, I am making sure that they are being used in health-care, better roads, infrastructure, policing, fire-fighting, and judiciary. And, at the end of the day if the taxes (legal route) is making the system more efficient, then bribing won't go a long way. Yes, Canada does have taxes but the efficiency in all the departments is highly visible - Govt. or not. I know that I only have to take half a day off for a half day's work. This is called an efficient system, which merely bribes/curruption doesn't ensure.
Bribing your way to the top doesn't ensure efficiency and long-term results. This soon follows by the chaos everywhere - as in all the South Asian countries. General population still suffers. I strongly believe Gandhi when he said that it's the common man that builds a nation and not the richest rich. Ensure common man's betterment and you'll have a nation of happy and prosperous people. Alas! This is surely missing in Gandhi's own land.
I would like to see India to rise and progress in this area. At least Thailand is better in this aspect that kept on following 'Rakesh Saxena' for years until they finally got hold of him today for the $88 mn. Banking scam. This is what India needs to do as well. And, this will only be done if she is built on the virtues of honesty and not curruption/bribe.
But as others mentioned - 'Dilli abhi bahut door hey'!
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Which one we should follow from the following..
1. You pay the bribe (don't care about the tax) and get ur job done. So those who will have skill and can earn money will get the job done faster and those who will not have money will wait in queue and will be served accordingly.
2. You are not allowed to pay the bribe(Illegal) and forced to pay heavy taxes for the services which u do not intend to avail. But by chance if u need the service then u wait in the same queue as other people who did not pay the tax for any reason.
For me bribe and taxes are synonyms. Think, think, think.... and u will realize it.
Your analogy is interesting and liked your realism, but I would still go with the second option. Bribe and Taxes are not synonymous at all. For one, bribe doesn't go into the betterment of the system and building a better infrastructure for the common man to use, while Taxes do. Your first option although works, but only for a miniscule population who are in 'Haves' category. What about the majority of the population of 'have not'? To think that countries like India, Pakistan, and B'desh where curruption is rampent, don't have taxes is foolish enough. At least when I am paying taxes, I am making sure that they are being used in health-care, better roads, infrastructure, policing, fire-fighting, and judiciary. And, at the end of the day if the taxes (legal route) is making the system more efficient, then bribing won't go a long way. Yes, Canada does have taxes but the efficiency in all the departments is highly visible - Govt. or not. I know that I only have to take half a day off for a half day's work. This is called an efficient system, which merely bribes/curruption doesn't ensure.
Bribing your way to the top doesn't ensure efficiency and long-term results. This soon follows by the chaos everywhere - as in all the South Asian countries. General population still suffers. I strongly believe Gandhi when he said that it's the common man that builds a nation and not the richest rich. Ensure common man's betterment and you'll have a nation of happy and prosperous people. Alas! This is surely missing in Gandhi's own land.
I would like to see India to rise and progress in this area. At least Thailand is better in this aspect that kept on following 'Rakesh Saxena' for years until they finally got hold of him today for the $88 mn. Banking scam. This is what India needs to do as well. And, this will only be done if she is built on the virtues of honesty and not curruption/bribe.
But as others mentioned - 'Dilli abhi bahut door hey'!
All u have mentioned is purely theoretically and does not even work in Canada.
The tax I pay does not give me good healthcare which is very urgent.
The tax which I pay is distributed among other people who don't want to work which means I take responsibility to pay for others.
"Such situation was in ancient India when bandits used to loot rich people and give away that money to the poor ones. Those activities were considered illegal then and now."
Such activities in country like Canada is considered legal.
Wake up, ur tax is not used for the betterment. Any service in Canada needs an appointment and long waiting time.
Can u tell me any single service which I can avail as free and workable?
We don't see the difference between rich and poor here which is the biggest problem.
Web2000,
Sorry to respond with more questions. Here they are:
1. Why should anything be free of cost?
2. What's wrong with appointments? If there are say 10 people waiting in line before you - shouldn't they get a foremost right to be treated first in any sector? Why would someone want to jump the line? This is called Patience and equal treatment.
I think you're confusing the healthcare with healthcare reforms where they should allow private players. But look at US of A.
3. So, let's say you're contributing to EI and with as uncertain future as it's now, you get laid off from your work. Isn't it a good idea to receive some money from the Govt. in the form of EI that you contributed before? Ask thousand of those recently unemployed how much they value EI?
4. Reforms are necessary, but how can you justify them with jumping the line and just opting for unlawful means such as bribing?
My views might be hypothetical, but that's what work in making system efficient. See for yourself - the plight of Indian nation having a dark cloud of curruption and back-door entries.
Also, you wrote all of what I suggested doesn't work in Canada. So, where from they get money to provide you better roads, fire-fighters, efficient Policing, free libraries, less red-tape, free public education till 12th grade, and much more. It's not that Canada is a heaven (no way..), but merely providing you highly visible examples where your tax money is at work.
All I'm saying is that taxes (at least in Canada) ensure better infrastructure and efficient system.
